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Re: Facebook says it has removed promotion of anti-quarantine events

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Post by 0xy »

phakding wrote: post #34
0xy wrote: post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Would you mind refuting specific points rather than disregarding my entire argument?

Your claim that the ensuing poverty will cause more deaths then corona virus. Do you have anything to support this? You made a claim so the onus is on you to provide supporting data. I don't need to refute anything at this juncture.

It's an opinion based upon the link between mortality and poverty [1] and a potential 30% unemployment rate.

In fact, the Fed is predicting 32%. [2]

[1] https://www.mailman.columbia.edu/public-health-now/news/how-...

[2] https://www.cnbc.com/2020/03/30/coronavirus-job-losses-could...

Re: Facebook says it has removed promotion of anti-quarantine events

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Post by 0xy »

otterley wrote: post #37
0xy wrote: post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Would you mind refuting specific points rather than disregarding my entire argument?

The person making the argument bears the burden of proof, not the person refuting it.

I'm fully aware, I'm asking of which specific point needs data to back it up. I assumed the link between poverty and mortality was blindingly obvious.

Of course poverty has bad health outcomes, and I've just cited sources in another reply.

Re: Facebook says it has removed promotion of anti-quarantine events

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Post by [deleted] »

kevinventullo wrote: post #39
downerending wrote: post #24

It's worth noting that there is a lot of discussion in serious circles (including here on HN) about the balance between too much and not enough with respect to quarantine, lockdown, etc., both in terms of where we are now and what we should do in the near future. I see little reason to doubt that all involved are trying to minimize general death and misery, even if they may disagree radically about how to do that. It…

I see little reason to doubt that all involved are trying to minimize general death and misery At the risk of sounding inflammatory, there are pretty clearly some actors who would welcome death and misery upon others if it meant they made some money.

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Re: Facebook says it has removed promotion of anti-quarantine events

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Post by bpodgursky »

phakding wrote: post #16
chrisco255 wrote: post #3

These are Americans exercising their constitutional rights to freedom of speech and assembly. Whether you agree with the protestors or not is irrelevant. Your rights are impacted, too, by this arbitrary platform bias. This cannot stand for long. We have to move away from centralized monopolies on the web.

You should know that this is not a grass root movement rather someone astroturfing. https://krebsonsecurity.com/2020/04/whos-behind-the-reopen-d... https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/salvadorhernandez/coron... Also take a look at this Reddit comment https://www.reddit.com/r/maryland/comments/g3niq3/comment/fn... If you don't trust BuzzFeed you can go look at the domain registration information for open[enter state…

No, it's a guy in Florida who went through and parked a bunch of domains with the same pattern. Maybe because he believed in the cause, and maybe because he wanted to make a few quick bucks.

"Astroturfing" would be when paid shills or robots spam FCC comment boards. It's not astroturfing when thousands of genuine supporters of a cause show up at a protest, whether or not there is coordination (surprise, all protests need coordination).

Trying to turn this into a sinister conspiracy -- and not genuine discontent -- is a cheap mental shortcut which lets you discount that a lot of people feel differently than you.

Re: Facebook says it has removed promotion of anti-quarantine events

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Post by AmericanChopper »

edgefield0 wrote: post #11
devmunchies wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

any decision can kill people, whether its motor traffic laws, junk food laws, or smoking laws, or quarantine laws. its all open for debate and should not be deplatformed for mere protest. There is a point where quarantine does more damage than good, especially when thinking big picture and government control.

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Heart disease is responsible for a quarter of all deaths in the US. Facebook distributing adds for Coke is going to cause for more deaths than all the worlds quarantine protest groups combined. Deplatforming groups for petitioning the government is a tremendously alarming decision from Facebook. Regardless of what you think about FB being a corporate platform, the worlds civil liberties have been switched off along side the economy. Governments have a terrible track record of abdicating the powers they seize during crises, and are all talking about a “new normal”, as if we shouldn’t expect freedom of movement or privacy to return once this is over. These people have every right to petition their government (in the US at least), and FB deplatforming them is a serious cause for concern, especially under the guise of “misinformation”.

Re: Facebook says it has removed promotion of anti-quarantine events

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Post by Lammy »

agildehaus wrote: post #38
smitty1e wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is the government suppressing speech by proxy. Even if it survives legal review, this harms the spirit of the Bill of Rights, which is incorporated against the States. Voters should reply in November with their ballots as appropriate.

Where's the government in this? The government isn't forcing Facebook's hand.

The government can be forcing Facebook's hand by making Facebook fearful of being investigated, fined, broken up, etc if they are found to have allowed manipulation of the 2020 election in any way, and the coronavirus and related topics have become unfortunately intertwined in that.

Re: Facebook says it has removed promotion of anti-quarantine events

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Post by anigbrowl »

monksy wrote: post #5
chrisco255 wrote: post #3

These are Americans exercising their constitutional rights to freedom of speech and assembly. Whether you agree with the protestors or not is irrelevant. Your rights are impacted, too, by this arbitrary platform bias. This cannot stand for long. We have to move away from centralized monopolies on the web.

Even with the shelter in place ordinances in place you still have the right to protest. They didn't remove that. You just need to protest while distancing your self or blocking access for the emergency services. Creating a group of people standing closely together and/or blocking the streets is a safety issue at the moment. If the only way you can protest is to do it in public, you lack imagination.

Quite so. There was a protest in Israel over the weekend against Netanyahu (the incumbent prime minister who has been indicted for corruption), but where the protesters just spread themselves over a larger are while maintaining physical distancing.

Re: Facebook says it has removed promotion of anti-quarantine events

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Post by dmoy »

phakding wrote: post #16
chrisco255 wrote: post #3

These are Americans exercising their constitutional rights to freedom of speech and assembly. Whether you agree with the protestors or not is irrelevant. Your rights are impacted, too, by this arbitrary platform bias. This cannot stand for long. We have to move away from centralized monopolies on the web.

You should know that this is not a grass root movement rather someone astroturfing. https://krebsonsecurity.com/2020/04/whos-behind-the-reopen-d... https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/salvadorhernandez/coron... Also take a look at this Reddit comment https://www.reddit.com/r/maryland/comments/g3niq3/comment/fn... If you don't trust BuzzFeed you can go look at the domain registration information for open[enter state…

Oh wow, the "COVID-19 IS A LIE" sign being held by someone wearing a protective mask. Charitably, maybe it's just to disguise themselves?

I don't see how that's astroturfing though, unless they're being paid to show up? Seems unlikely?

Re: Facebook says it has removed promotion of anti-quarantine events

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Post by [deleted] »

chrisco255 wrote: post #3

These are Americans exercising their constitutional rights to freedom of speech and assembly. Whether you agree with the protestors or not is irrelevant. Your rights are impacted, too, by this arbitrary platform bias. This cannot stand for long. We have to move away from centralized monopolies on the web.

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Re: Facebook says it has removed promotion of anti-quarantine events

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Post by CamperBob2 »

smitty1e wrote: post #13
SamWhited wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This entire comment is a strawman. This is not the same as "arbitrary platform bias". This is not Facebook saying "we have a certain political view and we talked to the government and they agreed so no other views are acceptable". This is them stopping stupid people from killing a lot of other people. Also, your rights aren't affected. This is Facebook telling stupid people to shut up and stop spreading fud that coul…

This is the government suppressing speech by proxy. Even if it survives legal review, this harms the spirit of the Bill of Rights, which is incorporated against the States. Voters should reply in November with their ballots as appropriate.

And forcing Facebook to publish points of view they disagree with doesn't harm the Bill of Rights?
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