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I tried to buy an actual barrel of crude oil (2015)

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Re: I tried to buy an actual barrel of crude oil (2015)

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Considering that the front-month oil contracts went negative today (paid to buy a barrel of oil), I think more (well funded and adept) players will try to hastily arrange more storage facilities. There's just no place to put the stuff right now. It's quite difficult to turn-off an active well. Deep-water wells are all but impossible to stop.

So like... why doesn't someone just fill a reservoir or something?

You have to dig a hole before you can fill it.

Re: I tried to buy an actual barrel of crude oil (2015)

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Considering that the front-month oil contracts went negative today (paid to buy a barrel of oil), I think more (well funded and adept) players will try to hastily arrange more storage facilities. There's just no place to put the stuff right now. It's quite difficult to turn-off an active well. Deep-water wells are all but impossible to stop.

The negative price has to do with the short delivery date, and the lack of storage at the (landlocked) delivery point. June 2020 WTI is still over $20/barrel. If anyone had storage to bring online in the next few weeks, in Cushing, Oklahoma, they'd make a killing. At this point, they're going to need to ship it to a port, to get on a tanker.

Anyone got a spare oil tanker? :-) I only slightly kid, makes me wonder how quickly I could acquire a number of oil storage units.

edit: this tanker is off the gulf coast right now... https://horizonship.com/ship/274m-suezmax-crude-oil-carrier-...

Re: I tried to buy an actual barrel of crude oil (2015)

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

So like... why doesn't someone just fill a reservoir or something?

You have to dig a hole before you can fill it.

Backhoes are cheap. Maybe environmental issues? I imagine someone would have a problem if I just dug a hole and filled it.

Re: I tried to buy an actual barrel of crude oil (2015)

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Considering that the front-month oil contracts went negative today (paid to buy a barrel of oil), I think more (well funded and adept) players will try to hastily arrange more storage facilities. There's just no place to put the stuff right now. It's quite difficult to turn-off an active well. Deep-water wells are all but impossible to stop.

Nobody's going to spend money to build new storage facilities for an oil glut that will go away in, at most, a month or two.

Re: I tried to buy an actual barrel of crude oil (2015)

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

You have to dig a hole before you can fill it.

Backhoes are cheap. Maybe environmental issues? I imagine someone would have a problem if I just dug a hole and filled it.

> Maybe environmental issues?

Amongst others. It's not enough to just dig a hole in the ground, you have to make sure it doesn't seep into the ground as well. In addition, you have the always present risk of fire...

Re: I tried to buy an actual barrel of crude oil (2015)

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

The negative price has to do with the short delivery date, and the lack of storage at the (landlocked) delivery point. June 2020 WTI is still over $20/barrel. If anyone had storage to bring online in the next few weeks, in Cushing, Oklahoma, they'd make a killing. At this point, they're going to need to ship it to a port, to get on a tanker.

Anyone got a spare oil tanker? :-) I only slightly kid, makes me wonder how quickly I could acquire a number of oil storage units. edit: this tanker is off the gulf coast right now... https://horizonship.com/ship/274m-suezmax-crude-oil-carrier-...

Just with a cursory "oil tanker for sale" search, they appear to be for sale in the $10-20MM range.

Re: I tried to buy an actual barrel of crude oil (2015)

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Discussed at the time: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=10499297 Edit: Such links are simply for the curious. Reposts are ok after a year: https://news.ycombinator.com/newsfaq.html .

have you considered some kind of presubmission check for this? even just to inform users without actually screening, and then auto appending previous discussions if submitted?

Yes but it's not clear how to get it right.

Re: I tried to buy an actual barrel of crude oil (2015)

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

The negative price has to do with the short delivery date, and the lack of storage at the (landlocked) delivery point. June 2020 WTI is still over $20/barrel. If anyone had storage to bring online in the next few weeks, in Cushing, Oklahoma, they'd make a killing. At this point, they're going to need to ship it to a port, to get on a tanker.

Anyone got a spare oil tanker? :-) I only slightly kid, makes me wonder how quickly I could acquire a number of oil storage units. edit: this tanker is off the gulf coast right now... https://horizonship.com/ship/274m-suezmax-crude-oil-carrier-...

That's one of the reasons why spot prices are crashing: we've used up the supply of spare oil tankers to store the oil we're not using.
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