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I tried to buy an actual barrel of crude oil (2015)

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Re: I tried to buy an actual barrel of crude oil (2015)

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NPR's Planet Money also bought some oil: https://www.npr.org/sections/money/2016/08/26/491342091/plan...

I think Planet Money also bought a mortgage backed security a while back when things had already gone south. They tracked the houses involved and their history. It was interesting to see the investment tied to specific homes, and etc.

Also a junk/high-yield bond https://www.npr.org/2020/02/19/807544557/meet-our-junk-bond

Re: I tried to buy an actual barrel of crude oil (2015)

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Considering that the front-month oil contracts went negative today (paid to buy a barrel of oil), I think more (well funded and adept) players will try to hastily arrange more storage facilities. There's just no place to put the stuff right now. It's quite difficult to turn-off an active well. Deep-water wells are all but impossible to stop.

>Deep-water wells are all but impossible to stop.

While I realize you're referring to a functioning deep-water well, working as designed, I can't help but remember the complete mess from Deepwater Horizon. If it's difficult to stop a correctly functioning deep-water well, I have even more respect for that mess of a situation (and a bit more disdain for the practice in general):

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deepwater_Horizon_oil_spill

Re: I tried to buy an actual barrel of crude oil (2015)

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Considering that the front-month oil contracts went negative today (paid to buy a barrel of oil), I think more (well funded and adept) players will try to hastily arrange more storage facilities. There's just no place to put the stuff right now. It's quite difficult to turn-off an active well. Deep-water wells are all but impossible to stop.

Actually, deep water wells are usually quite easy to shut in by design. They frequently need to be shut in due to hurricanes or infrastructure maintenance. You don't drill a $100 million deepwater well without all the bells and whistles.

Very cheap wells with low production (onshore, say ~10 barrel per day) are the ones that tend to be difficult to shut in, as they're not designed for easy temporary shut-ins.

That having been said, most of the "must produce" issues are contractual. There are plenty of contracts with production quotas/etc. Similarly, pipelines need a minimum volume to keep flowing, and once they're stopped, they can be difficult to start again (inspections/etc, as well as physically starting things flowing).

Re: I tried to buy an actual barrel of crude oil (2015)

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Considering that the front-month oil contracts went negative today (paid to buy a barrel of oil), I think more (well funded and adept) players will try to hastily arrange more storage facilities. There's just no place to put the stuff right now. It's quite difficult to turn-off an active well. Deep-water wells are all but impossible to stop.

>Deep-water wells are all but impossible to stop. While I realize you're referring to a functioning deep-water well, working as designed, I can't help but remember the complete mess from Deepwater Horizon. If it's difficult to stop a correctly functioning deep-water well, I have even more respect for that mess of a situation (and a bit more disdain for the practice in general): https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deepwat…

That was ten years ago today, actually. I just watched this wonderful 11 minute video on the failure: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FCVCOWejlag

Re: I tried to buy an actual barrel of crude oil (2015)

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Considering that the front-month oil contracts went negative today (paid to buy a barrel of oil), I think more (well funded and adept) players will try to hastily arrange more storage facilities. There's just no place to put the stuff right now. It's quite difficult to turn-off an active well. Deep-water wells are all but impossible to stop.

Does it happen often that future contract falls into negative territory?

Re: I tried to buy an actual barrel of crude oil (2015)

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Discussed at the time: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=10499297 Edit: Such links are simply for the curious. Reposts are ok after a year: https://news.ycombinator.com/newsfaq.html .

have you considered some kind of presubmission check for this? even just to inform users without actually screening, and then auto appending previous discussions if submitted?

Well there’s the “past” button but you still have to click first. Maybe the “past” button could also list the number of previous submissions and the max number of comments of any submission (and/or max score)?

Re: I tried to buy an actual barrel of crude oil (2015)

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Considering that the front-month oil contracts went negative today (paid to buy a barrel of oil), I think more (well funded and adept) players will try to hastily arrange more storage facilities. There's just no place to put the stuff right now. It's quite difficult to turn-off an active well. Deep-water wells are all but impossible to stop.

Does it happen often that future contract falls into negative territory?

No, this is the first time since oil futures began trading in 1983.

Re: I tried to buy an actual barrel of crude oil (2015)

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Considering that the front-month oil contracts went negative today (paid to buy a barrel of oil), I think more (well funded and adept) players will try to hastily arrange more storage facilities. There's just no place to put the stuff right now. It's quite difficult to turn-off an active well. Deep-water wells are all but impossible to stop.

The negative price has to do with the short delivery date, and the lack of storage at the (landlocked) delivery point. June 2020 WTI is still over $20/barrel.

If anyone had storage to bring online in the next few weeks, in Cushing, Oklahoma, they'd make a killing. At this point, they're going to need to ship it to a port, to get on a tanker.

Re: I tried to buy an actual barrel of crude oil (2015)

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Considering that the front-month oil contracts went negative today (paid to buy a barrel of oil), I think more (well funded and adept) players will try to hastily arrange more storage facilities. There's just no place to put the stuff right now. It's quite difficult to turn-off an active well. Deep-water wells are all but impossible to stop.

So like... why doesn't someone just fill a reservoir or something?
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