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The Billionaire Who Is Planning His 125th Birthday

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Re: The Billionaire Who Is Planning His 125th Birthday

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He doesn’t count calories or believe in extreme caloric restriction as a way to extend life. Not only has caloric restriction been shown to work in mammals (including primates), but it has known mechanisms of action. That's some hefty evidence to ignore. But he does believe that excess weight is a sure way to abbreviate it, and reprimands friends, acquaintances and even strangers who are heavy. The latest studies ( h…

> This makes it clear he has no idea what he's talking about.

I propose that we check on him on his 125th birthday to find out. If he's dead, then you're right. If he's alive, then you're wrong.

Re: The Billionaire Who Is Planning His 125th Birthday

#42
post #24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why can't they both be right? We're omnivores. I would be surprised if there weren't multiple diets that led to health.

The two are wildly opposing, blaming each other for all the modern life diseases. It's not impossible to be both right, given a sufficiently diverse human genotype pool, but rather hard to imagine really.

They could both be right that their diets are healthy. They could not both be right that the other side's diet is poison.

Re: The Billionaire Who Is Planning His 125th Birthday

#43

Whenever a thread comes up about someone taking a sincere interest in nutrition and making difficult sacrifices to try to enjoy a better life, you start to see people come out and mock it and make jokes and assert a certain "well I'm having more fun" type superiority. Well, I'm not so sure about that. Most of the people I know who work to live really healthy have the guts to go counter-cultural/counter-mainstream in…

I'm not so sure if I agree with what you're saying. I have few vices. I cook everything from scratch, don't smoke, rarely eat red meat and have a very nutritious diet. My main vices are a lack of exercise and alcohol (as I like to make cocktails, learn new ones and experiment I probably drink more of them than most).

Exercising more would probably give me more enjoyment, but at the opportunity cost of what I'm doing instead. Cutting out alcohol will no doubt extend my life (after all, alcohol is a fairly poisonous chemical to start off with) cutting it out would reduce the net pleasure I get not just from drinking cocktails, but introducing new ones to others and watching the pleasure they get from experiencing them.

You can't consistently make great cocktails if you're teetotal anymore than you can consistently cook incredible meat dishes if you're vegetarian as there's no direct feedback mechanism.

I'm not saying that the net pleasure doesn't go down in all cases, but there are definitely some. I'm sure giving up mountain climbing can extend life, but there's a drop in pleasure for a mountain climber too.

Re: The Billionaire Who Is Planning His 125th Birthday

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post #43

Whenever a thread comes up about someone taking a sincere interest in nutrition and making difficult sacrifices to try to enjoy a better life, you start to see people come out and mock it and make jokes and assert a certain "well I'm having more fun" type superiority. Well, I'm not so sure about that. Most of the people I know who work to live really healthy have the guts to go counter-cultural/counter-mainstream in…

I'm not so sure if I agree with what you're saying. I have few vices. I cook everything from scratch, don't smoke, rarely eat red meat and have a very nutritious diet. My main vices are a lack of exercise and alcohol (as I like to make cocktails, learn new ones and experiment I probably drink more of them than most). Exercising more would probably give me more enjoyment, but at the opportunity cost of what I'm doing…

> You can't consistently make great cocktails if you're teetotal

Of course you can, just don't swallow.

Re: The Billionaire Who Is Planning His 125th Birthday

#46
post #35

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Well, it's not like they're toxic... Have you seen the movie K-Pax?

I would expect banana peels to be quite toxic on average. Lots of pesticides, and unless you live in a place where bananas grow, who knows what they do to the bananas to prepare them for shipping.

Wouldn't organic bananas avoid that?

Re: The Billionaire Who Is Planning His 125th Birthday

#47
post #41

He doesn’t count calories or believe in extreme caloric restriction as a way to extend life. Not only has caloric restriction been shown to work in mammals (including primates), but it has known mechanisms of action. That's some hefty evidence to ignore. But he does believe that excess weight is a sure way to abbreviate it, and reprimands friends, acquaintances and even strangers who are heavy. The latest studies ( h…

> This makes it clear he has no idea what he's talking about. I propose that we check on him on his 125th birthday to find out. If he's dead, then you're right. If he's alive, then you're wrong.

That isn't how science works.

Re: The Billionaire Who Is Planning His 125th Birthday

#48

Some folks are just healthier. It's a single data point. Who knows if it has anything to do with his diet? Staying fit and avoiding tobacco are proven to extend life. His specific dietary restrictions? Meh, who knows?

My grandmother lived to 95, and was very healthy into her early ninties. Her diet, while generally good, made plenty of room for curries and lager, and she liked to get pretty sloshed on her birthdays. Single data points: Useless.

Re: The Billionaire Who Is Planning His 125th Birthday

#49
post #9

I think for most people, if these extreme measures brought them another 50 years it may be worth the effort of being perfectly disciplined. But even if he is onto something, which may think they are using conflicting methods, it's probably going to buy him an extra few years over just being healthy without being obsessive.

It's easy to keep that discipline when your a billionaire!

Re: The Billionaire Who Is Planning His 125th Birthday

#50
post #32

Living to 125 would be exceptional, but not all that incredible when you consider that the longest living woman on record lived to 122.5.

And that she quit smoking at 120! A beautiful case study for those who see causation in correlation.

Obviously, smoking causes death!

/troll

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