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The Billionaire Who Is Planning His 125th Birthday

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Re: The Billionaire Who Is Planning His 125th Birthday

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post #6

It is interesting that him, and other rich men like Kurzweil are choosing plant-base diets instead of the Taubes, paleo crowd-pushed meat and fat diets. They can't be both right.

Why can't they both be right?

We're omnivores. I would be surprised if there weren't multiple diets that led to health.

Re: The Billionaire Who Is Planning His 125th Birthday

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He doesn’t count calories or believe in extreme caloric restriction as a way to extend life.

Not only has caloric restriction been shown to work in mammals (including primates), but it has known mechanisms of action. That's some hefty evidence to ignore.

But he does believe that excess weight is a sure way to abbreviate it, and reprimands friends, acquaintances and even strangers who are heavy.

The latest studies (http://jama.ama-assn.org/content/293/15/1861.abstract) show underweight and obese people have higher mortality in old age. The mildly overweight need not worry.

Sure, the rinds and peels — which he explains by saying that the parts of fruits most directly sun-kissed are bound to harbor the most energy — may be a little strange.

This makes it clear he has no idea what he's talking about.

Re: The Billionaire Who Is Planning His 125th Birthday

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post #6

It is interesting that him, and other rich men like Kurzweil are choosing plant-base diets instead of the Taubes, paleo crowd-pushed meat and fat diets. They can't be both right.

Why can't they both be right? We're omnivores. I would be surprised if there weren't multiple diets that led to health.

The two are wildly opposing, blaming each other for all the modern life diseases.

It's not impossible to be both right, given a sufficiently diverse human genotype pool, but rather hard to imagine really.

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post #6

It is interesting that him, and other rich men like Kurzweil are choosing plant-base diets instead of the Taubes, paleo crowd-pushed meat and fat diets. They can't be both right.

"Eat food, not too much, mostly plants" http://www.nytimes.com/2007/01/28/magazine/28nutritionism.t....

That's one camp, sure. Taubes strongly refutes it.

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#26
post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Sadly it is not so simple for an increasingly large number of people suffering from diabetes, obesity, arterial and heart diseases. They are looking for solutions to get healthy so they can enjoy life in the ways you are presenting. So far the 2 main camps claiming to have the solution to everything are pushing 2 completely opposed strategies, none of them seemingly more proven than the other...

Sufficient exercise can reverse or minimize many of those diseases you mention.

Except that the more you exercise, the more your body hungers for more calories. The homeostasis theory of the body makes far more sense than the current thermodynamic view of eating; that change in weight is equal to what you eat minus what you burn.

If you exercise more, you burn more of course. Supposing that your body has no idea how much energy its consuming, and thus the 'what you eat' part of the equation is independent of the 'what you burn' is simply ridiculous.

Those diseases, the diseases of western civilization wont go away by simply exercising more. Exercise more, you eat more, you don't lose your fat weight, you won't reverse those diseases.

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He doesn’t count calories or believe in extreme caloric restriction as a way to extend life. Not only has caloric restriction been shown to work in mammals (including primates), but it has known mechanisms of action. That's some hefty evidence to ignore. But he does believe that excess weight is a sure way to abbreviate it, and reprimands friends, acquaintances and even strangers who are heavy. The latest studies ( h…

This is interesting, however. Let's think about it for a minute.

    - Caloric restriction has been shown to work. Caloric
    restriction would most likely result in individuals
    being at least slightly underweight.
    - Underweight have higher mortality in the old age.
    Mildly overweight need not worry.
So how does that work together?

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post #27

He doesn’t count calories or believe in extreme caloric restriction as a way to extend life. Not only has caloric restriction been shown to work in mammals (including primates), but it has known mechanisms of action. That's some hefty evidence to ignore. But he does believe that excess weight is a sure way to abbreviate it, and reprimands friends, acquaintances and even strangers who are heavy. The latest studies ( h…

This is interesting, however. Let's think about it for a minute. - Caloric restriction has been shown to work. Caloric restriction would most likely result in individuals being at least slightly underweight. - Underweight have higher mortality in the old age. Mildly overweight need not worry. So how does that work together?

Practically nobody does CR. The underweight people in the study likely had diseases or nutrient absorption problems.

Re: The Billionaire Who Is Planning His 125th Birthday

#29
post #3

“I went back in my mind: what am I not eating enough of?” he told me. Definitely not fruits and vegetables: he crams as many as 20 of them, including pulverized banana peels and the ground-up rinds of oranges, into the smoothies he drinks two to three times a day Wait, banana peels?

Haven't you heard, it's all about whole foods.

Re: The Billionaire Who Is Planning His 125th Birthday

#30
post #9

I think for most people, if these extreme measures brought them another 50 years it may be worth the effort of being perfectly disciplined. But even if he is onto something, which may think they are using conflicting methods, it's probably going to buy him an extra few years over just being healthy without being obsessive.

One might even suspect that obsessing over your heath so much is actually unhealthy...

A few doctors are starting to use the term orthorexia to describe the obsession some people have with "eating right".

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Orthorexia_nervosa

These questions unfortunately remind me of a few people I know:

* Does their diet make it difficult for them to eat anywhere but at home, distancing them from family and friends?

* Has the quality of their life decreased as the quality of their diet increased?

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