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Re: OpenCore: Hackintosh Alternative to Clover

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Post by Wowfunhappy »

terhechte wrote: post #77
x3sphere wrote: post #72

I use OpenCore but have switched my Hackintosh system over to running in a VM (using GPU passthrough). It's easier for me to backup / make changes this way, and there is only a minor performance hit. This is a Geekbench run from my VM (Core i9 10940x with 4 cores passed through): https://browser.geekbench.com/v4/cpu/15395105 I have a Windows 10 VM running on a same system too. It may not be suitable if you require vi…

As I'm currently thinking about also going this route I do have some questions, if I may. Could you elaborate what your hardware setup is? Do you have two screens, and two powerful GPUs? Or do you use a HDMI Switch for one screen? Basically, how do you cope with the hardware limitations of GPU Passthrough (I briefly looked into using a single GPU for passthrough, which seems possible but involved rewriting the GPU ro…

You don't need to rewrite the GPU rom! I never set it up fully due to other issues, but I had High Sierra + GPU passthrough working quite well in ESXI last fall.

I would still be using ESXI now, except my (unusual) goal was to run 10.9, and I couldn't for the life of me get GPU passthrough working in 10.9.

The neat thing about ESXI, though, is that it is officially supported by macOS. Only on Apple hardware, of course, but with ESXI the motherboard is all fake anyway, so it works identically regardless of the host's hardware. All you need to do is patch out the Apple hardware check, which is easy.

Re: OpenCore: Hackintosh Alternative to Clover

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Post by mwcampbell »

throwlaplace wrote: post #52
doteka wrote: post #39

Earlier quoted context omitted.

So this is a genuinely surprising attitude to me. You appreciate the software features and hardware stability of a platform, yet you do not want the creators to be paid for their work? I mean, it must be obvious that doing these things well apparently costs tons of man-hours and someone needs to be compensated for it? How do you maintain that degree of cognitive dissonance?

lol at the accusatory and indignant tone. 1. apple is a hardware company not a software company. to wit: they do not sell mac os and if they did i might buy it. 2. i don't care a lick about any other features or "stability" ( https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=22845629 ). i simply said that i appreciated the workspaces feature. can i buy this feature ala carte? i would gladly. can i pay the devs that built it for t…

I'm with doteka on this. I think techie entitlement is a bigger problem than self-righteousness. As Kyle Mitchell (kemitchell on HN) put it recently in his essay "No Thanks" [1]:

> From outside software looking in, “software freedom” walks and talks a lot more like “coder entitlement” or “coder privilege”. In short, a hacker on a tear should never hear the word “no”. Not when breaking into offices to steal parts for a train set. Not when contending with a printer they didn’t develop or pay for. Not when building the next hot web or mobile app … again. Not when building a war cloud or optimizing a baby-photo reinforcement schedule for grandma.

Do we not realize how entitled and selfish we are?

And no, I've never done a hackintosh, either virtual or physical.

[1]: https://writing.kemitchell.com/2020/04/17/No-Thanks.html

Re: OpenCore: Hackintosh Alternative to Clover

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Post by tdiggity »

x3sphere wrote: post #72

I use OpenCore but have switched my Hackintosh system over to running in a VM (using GPU passthrough). It's easier for me to backup / make changes this way, and there is only a minor performance hit. This is a Geekbench run from my VM (Core i9 10940x with 4 cores passed through): https://browser.geekbench.com/v4/cpu/15395105 I have a Windows 10 VM running on a same system too. It may not be suitable if you require vi…

I wanted to try this but was worried that the gpu pass through wouldn’t be smooth for basic video playback. How well do YouTube and Netflix play? How smooth does it feel overall? Could someone be fooled into thinking it was a native system?

Re: OpenCore: Hackintosh Alternative to Clover

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Post by hrrsn »

tdiggity wrote: post #83
x3sphere wrote: post #72

I use OpenCore but have switched my Hackintosh system over to running in a VM (using GPU passthrough). It's easier for me to backup / make changes this way, and there is only a minor performance hit. This is a Geekbench run from my VM (Core i9 10940x with 4 cores passed through): https://browser.geekbench.com/v4/cpu/15395105 I have a Windows 10 VM running on a same system too. It may not be suitable if you require vi…

I wanted to try this but was worried that the gpu pass through wouldn’t be smooth for basic video playback. How well do YouTube and Netflix play? How smooth does it feel overall? Could someone be fooled into thinking it was a native system?

If you’re passing through an entire GPU, it feels just like a native system

Re: OpenCore: Hackintosh Alternative to Clover

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Post by pottertheotter »

jeroenhd wrote: post #65

Every time I see OpenCore I feel like trying to make a Hackintosh again, but then I remember that my GPU is an Nvidia one and that it will never have drivers on any recent macOS releases. My laptop is another contender, but that has an Intel wireless card so that will never be supported either. The network card issue can probably be worked around through some virtualisation, but the laptop CPU is too old to do IOMMU…

No Nvidia drivers is very frustrating. I built a Hackintosh in mid 2017 with a GTX 1080 and it was a dream. Accidentally killed my build and didn't have time to figure out how to fix it, so I was using my hardware as an Ubuntu server for a lot of data processing and machine learning. Finally turned it back into a Hackintosh again this week and was so bummed to find out Mojave and Catalina don't have Nvidia drivers.

Granted, it's still way better than the mid-2012 MBA I was using, but I wish I could still use that GPU.

Re: OpenCore: Hackintosh Alternative to Clover

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Post by kick »

doteka wrote: post #39
throwlaplace wrote: post #31

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>on desktops. how about on laptops? not sleep itself but hackintoshing a laptop? i really want workspaces on whatever laptop i use but i don't want to pay through the nose for a macbook - i have a loner 2013 mbp right now and even those are still selling for like $800.

So this is a genuinely surprising attitude to me. You appreciate the software features and hardware stability of a platform, yet you do not want the creators to be paid for their work? I mean, it must be obvious that doing these things well apparently costs tons of man-hours and someone needs to be compensated for it? How do you maintain that degree of cognitive dissonance?

Apple is a pile of cash that has a few developers on hire. Most of the developers who made the Mac really great left Apple years ago, and the Mac's been a third-class citizen at Apple for over half a decade. Some guy deciding not to pay for Mac OS, for whatever reason, isn't going to break the bank at Apple.

Apple could make nothing from the Mac and it'd still be more than worth it for them to continue maintaining it because of the benefits it brings to their mobile ecosystem.

Re: OpenCore: Hackintosh Alternative to Clover

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Post by [deleted] »

mwcampbell wrote: post #82
throwlaplace wrote: post #52

Earlier quoted context omitted.

lol at the accusatory and indignant tone. 1. apple is a hardware company not a software company. to wit: they do not sell mac os and if they did i might buy it. 2. i don't care a lick about any other features or "stability" ( https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=22845629 ). i simply said that i appreciated the workspaces feature. can i buy this feature ala carte? i would gladly. can i pay the devs that built it for t…

I'm with doteka on this. I think techie entitlement is a bigger problem than self-righteousness. As Kyle Mitchell (kemitchell on HN) put it recently in his essay "No Thanks" [1]: > From outside software looking in, “software freedom” walks and talks a lot more like “coder entitlement” or “coder privilege”. In short, a hacker on a tear should never hear the word “no”. Not when breaking into offices to steal parts for…

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Re: OpenCore: Hackintosh Alternative to Clover

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Post by throwlaplace »

mwcampbell wrote: post #82
throwlaplace wrote: post #52

Earlier quoted context omitted.

lol at the accusatory and indignant tone. 1. apple is a hardware company not a software company. to wit: they do not sell mac os and if they did i might buy it. 2. i don't care a lick about any other features or "stability" ( https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=22845629 ). i simply said that i appreciated the workspaces feature. can i buy this feature ala carte? i would gladly. can i pay the devs that built it for t…

I'm with doteka on this. I think techie entitlement is a bigger problem than self-righteousness. As Kyle Mitchell (kemitchell on HN) put it recently in his essay "No Thanks" [1]: > From outside software looking in, “software freedom” walks and talks a lot more like “coder entitlement” or “coder privilege”. In short, a hacker on a tear should never hear the word “no”. Not when breaking into offices to steal parts for…

>Do we not realize how entitled and selfish we are?

jesus christ what are you talking about. i should feel morally obligated to a corporation? or maybe tim cook himself? this isn't a moral quandary or question and never will be. you people have deeply internalized a relationship to money and corporations that is perverse. like any good business person would say: it's not personal it's business - if they want to prevent me from using their software in a way that violates the EULA or whatever then cool they can try to stop me (note: they have in the past and will continue into the future and so the world will turn).

re those poor poor apple engineers: apple's market cap is 1.24T (that's a capital T for trillion). oh no will someone please think of them and their margins! i'm (100-epsilon)% sure that not a single apple engineer will ever suffer any hardship from a fraction of a fraction of a fraction of a percent of their customer/user base building hackintoshes.

Re: OpenCore: Hackintosh Alternative to Clover

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Post by Wowfunhappy »

Hamuko wrote: post #80
x3sphere wrote: post #72

I use OpenCore but have switched my Hackintosh system over to running in a VM (using GPU passthrough). It's easier for me to backup / make changes this way, and there is only a minor performance hit. This is a Geekbench run from my VM (Core i9 10940x with 4 cores passed through): https://browser.geekbench.com/v4/cpu/15395105 I have a Windows 10 VM running on a same system too. It may not be suitable if you require vi…

That sounds pretty nice actually. Really the only pain that I feel with my Hackintosh is the updates (which is why I'm still on Mojave). However, I'm not really sure if I want to trade in performance since updates are a periodic pain but a performance hit is gonna always be there.

OP didn't specify, but I assume they're using a type-1 hypervisor, likely either KVM or ESXI. If you're also using GPU passthrough, the performance loss is minimal—nothing like your standard Virtualbox VM.

Now, whether its actually easier to set up than a bare-metal Hackintosh, I'm not so sure. I tried it last fall, and it took a lot of fiddling to get working. (It also flat-out didn't work for my very specific use case, but that's another matter.) Maybe it would be better at surviving updates, but it's not obvious to me that it necessarily would, especially when Clover/OpenCore are already pretty decent at it.

Re: OpenCore: Hackintosh Alternative to Clover

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Post by acomjean »

stevievee wrote: post #16
t0mislav wrote: post #9

What is current state of Hackintosh this days? Is it stable?

They are more stable than ever right now - probably because the development community has grown in numbers. I've been using a hackintosh as my main productivity desktop since about 2014. Details on my latest build here: http://stephenvescio.com/blog/building-a-2019-mac-pro-hackin...

This really sinks the value proposition or a mac tower. You are getting comparable performance for 1/4 the price... I had the old mac pro, and I did love the quality of the build and ease of drive installation.. But still.

"Single-core score: 1,121 Multi-core score: 11,769 The scores for my Hackintosh with an AMD Ryzen 9 3900X 3.8 GHz are:

Single-core score: 1,259 Multi-core score: 10,515"

I switched to linux for the most part at this point (My work machine is still a 2015 MacBook though..) I had a hacintosh tower 8 year ago but I was always nervous about upgrading it.

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