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Re: OpenCore: Hackintosh Alternative to Clover

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Post by Wowfunhappy »

throwlaplace wrote: post #31
Wowfunhappy wrote: post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I set up my first Hackintosh in 2011 while on Spring Break in High School. It was the most difficult computing project I'd ever done up until that point--partly because it was legitimately more difficult back then, partly because I was using a pre-built Dell instead of a custom machine with parts targeting Hackintosh, and also probably because I was a stupid teenager who didn't know what he was doing. But once I was…

>on desktops. how about on laptops? not sleep itself but hackintoshing a laptop? i really want workspaces on whatever laptop i use but i don't want to pay through the nose for a macbook - i have a loner 2013 mbp right now and even those are still selling for like $800.

Fully working Hackintosh laptops are possible, but much harder. You can't mix and match parts for compatibility, and there's actually a lot of extra hardware that needs to work properly--e.g. you don't need a driver to change monitor brightness on desktops.

You need to make sure you get a laptop that other people have Hackintoshed successfully--and make sure you're clear on what exactly "success" meant for the other person. Does internal wifi work, or do you need to keep a USB dongle perpetually plugged in? Is the battery life terrible because OS X can't switch between the dedicated and integrated graphics? Etc etc.

I've never done it, although it's actually something I want to try in the near-ish future. I really want a tablet that can run OS X 10.9...

Re: OpenCore: Hackintosh Alternative to Clover

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Post by derefr »

doteka wrote: post #39
throwlaplace wrote: post #31

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>on desktops. how about on laptops? not sleep itself but hackintoshing a laptop? i really want workspaces on whatever laptop i use but i don't want to pay through the nose for a macbook - i have a loner 2013 mbp right now and even those are still selling for like $800.

So this is a genuinely surprising attitude to me. You appreciate the software features and hardware stability of a platform, yet you do not want the creators to be paid for their work? I mean, it must be obvious that doing these things well apparently costs tons of man-hours and someone needs to be compensated for it? How do you maintain that degree of cognitive dissonance?

> you do not want the creators to be paid for their work?

Er, no, likely more like "I have what hardware I have, and zero money to buy better. I would like to find the way to tune my existing hardware [e.g. by installing different operating systems] to give me the best possible experience that I can without putting any money into it, because I don't have any. When I have money, then I'll actually buy the thing I think is the best; but for now, a simulacra of it will have to suffice."

You know, the same reason college students pirate Photoshop instead of using GIMP.

Re: OpenCore: Hackintosh Alternative to Clover

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Post by austinheap »

forgingahead wrote: post #36
austinheap wrote: post #29

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There are two routes I’d recommend: 1) Many of the reliable community sites post buying guides; without wading into which I find reliable just search for “hackintosh buyers guide 2020”, “hackintosh compatibility list”, etc. 2) My now-preferred route is following developers on Github who post their hardware and EFI folder. It’ll be obvious which repos are from engineers who depend on it for their day-to-day based on s…

Mind sharing what laptop and setup guide you used? I'm still on a MBP 2012 for work which I like, and I'm thinking ahead to my next work laptop -- looking for similar ports/etc as my MBP 2012 (doesn't need to be latest specs, and I'm a creature of habit).

Tri-boot Catalina/Win10/Ubuntu19 on Dell XPS 9650 (i7-7700HQ, 32gb RAM, 1tb NVMe, touch 4K UHD w HD 630 & GTX 1050). Two caveats are WiFi card needs replaced for iCloud (30$ on eBay) and fingerprint scanner only works under Win10.

Re: guide -- DuckDuckGo/Github/Google is your friend -- this model in particular is rather common, but which guide is right depends on your comfort level.

Re: OpenCore: Hackintosh Alternative to Clover

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Post by DenseComet »

stevievee wrote: post #16
t0mislav wrote: post #9

What is current state of Hackintosh this days? Is it stable?

They are more stable than ever right now - probably because the development community has grown in numbers. I've been using a hackintosh as my main productivity desktop since about 2014. Details on my latest build here: http://stephenvescio.com/blog/building-a-2019-mac-pro-hackin...

Nice article, however, you may want to think about changing the color scheme of your website, the gray text on a gray background makes it a bit hard to read.

Re: OpenCore: Hackintosh Alternative to Clover

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Post by stevievee »

DenseComet wrote: post #44
stevievee wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They are more stable than ever right now - probably because the development community has grown in numbers. I've been using a hackintosh as my main productivity desktop since about 2014. Details on my latest build here: http://stephenvescio.com/blog/building-a-2019-mac-pro-hackin...

Nice article, however, you may want to think about changing the color scheme of your website, the gray text on a gray background makes it a bit hard to read.

Thanks for reading and the recommendation. You should see a white background! I am still tweaking the style for all browsers/devices.

Re: OpenCore: Hackintosh Alternative to Clover

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Post by Wowfunhappy »

doteka wrote: post #39
throwlaplace wrote: post #31

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>on desktops. how about on laptops? not sleep itself but hackintoshing a laptop? i really want workspaces on whatever laptop i use but i don't want to pay through the nose for a macbook - i have a loner 2013 mbp right now and even those are still selling for like $800.

So this is a genuinely surprising attitude to me. You appreciate the software features and hardware stability of a platform, yet you do not want the creators to be paid for their work? I mean, it must be obvious that doing these things well apparently costs tons of man-hours and someone needs to be compensated for it? How do you maintain that degree of cognitive dissonance?

I don't disagree with this sentiment, but Apple laptops can be limiting in a lot of ways:

* Want a keyboard with more travel? (Or, until recently, one that just won't break.) Too bad.

* Want USB A ports? Better track down a 2015 MBP.

* Want a touch screen? Go buy an iPad.

So, basically the same reasons you'd want to build a Hackintosh desktop.

Back when OS X releases were sold, though, I always made a point of buying and using a physical disc. I'm sure they weren't priced to truly cover development costs, but I felt like I was doing something.

Re: OpenCore: Hackintosh Alternative to Clover

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Post by ghostpepper »

microtonal wrote: post #2

This seems to be a more generally useful link? https://dortania.github.io/OpenCore-Desktop-Guide/ It has links to other parts of the guide in the sidebar.

Introducing something as an unconventional first-in-class piece of software is not very descriptive IMHO.

I think this would be better described by the problem it solves, which I am guessing has to do with MacOS refusing to boot on non-Apple UEFI code, which I presume the Hackintosh community has not been able to obtain?

Saying it's better than Clover also doesn't help anyone who isn't already familiar with the problem.

Re: OpenCore: Hackintosh Alternative to Clover

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Post by ghostpepper »

stevievee wrote: post #45
DenseComet wrote: post #44

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Nice article, however, you may want to think about changing the color scheme of your website, the gray text on a gray background makes it a bit hard to read.

Thanks for reading and the recommendation. You should see a white background! I am still tweaking the style for all browsers/devices.

FWIW I run firefox with javascript disabled (actually uMatrix) and I see grey on grey as well.

Re: OpenCore: Hackintosh Alternative to Clover

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Post by microtonal »

derefr wrote: post #42
doteka wrote: post #39

Earlier quoted context omitted.

So this is a genuinely surprising attitude to me. You appreciate the software features and hardware stability of a platform, yet you do not want the creators to be paid for their work? I mean, it must be obvious that doing these things well apparently costs tons of man-hours and someone needs to be compensated for it? How do you maintain that degree of cognitive dissonance?

> you do not want the creators to be paid for their work? Er, no, likely more like "I have what hardware I have, and zero money to buy better. I would like to find the way to tune my existing hardware [e.g. by installing different operating systems] to give me the best possible experience that I can without putting any money into it, because I don't have any. When I have money, then I'll actually buy the thing I thin…

It's a shame that they do not have a cheap baseline Mac anymore. When I was in college, I bought my first Mac (2007). I didn't have a lot of money, but I bought a Mac Mini for 499 Euro or thereabouts. It was also relatively cheap to upgrade memory afterwards. I actually bought the Mac Mini because my brother and I were experimenting with Hackintosh. It didn't work on my computer, but it did work (somewhat) on his Dell laptop and he was raving about it.

With the Macbook Air 2020, they finally have a laptop that I can recommend again and isn't much more expensive than the MacBook I bought later in 2007 (which was a base model white MacBook, just above 1000 Euro).

Re: OpenCore: Hackintosh Alternative to Clover

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Post by interactivecode »

Moto7451 wrote: post #11
_vbdg wrote: post #6

I just built a new hackintosh with opencore, and compared to clover, it was so much nicer. The documentation [0] is excellent; I'm able to grok what each option does rather than just guessing. It also feels so much less janky than clover did. Better filevault support, faster, leave SIP on, etc. It's also better in that one can avoid polluting /L/E /S/L/E, which will also allow users to keep running kexts even after A…

Ditto. I built one last week. Everything was straightforward and the documentation great. My only criticism of the state of building a Hackintosh is the amount of cargo cult advise out there. Figuring out my Audio took longer than it should as finding the layout-id for my ALC892 was buried in threads where everyone kept parroting “use ID 1, 2, and 3 or just keep trying numbers until it works.” My board needed layout-…

I think there hsould be a place where people could list their hardware and their settings/kexts for successfull builds.

And you could just input your hardware and get a list of settings and kexts for your build.

Or like dynamic documentation like the stripe docs, but then for your hackingtosh...

Hoping to setup one myself this week

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