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Seoul's full cafes, Apple store lines show mass testing success

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Re: Seoul's full cafes, Apple store lines show mass testing success

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Post by bb2018 »

3fe9a03ccd14ca5 wrote: post #15
ldng wrote: post #9

On the other hand, they have something like 65 re-infected people. Could it be that they have a different/new strain ? Edit I don't see why the downvotes. It is easily fact-checkable. Those 65 persons were hospitalized for their symptoms, considered treated and released and about 2 weeks later showed symptoms again.

We need to wait until we have antibody testing to get a clear picture about this. A theory is that these asymptomatic cases simply had latent virus in their nasal passages (thus testing positive), and not actually be building any antibodies from an infection.

Yeah - Id love to know if there are any cases where someone was sick enough that they were treated, recovered, and then got sick enough they need actual treatment again.

Re: Seoul's full cafes, Apple store lines show mass testing success

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Post by throw_away »

3fe9a03ccd14ca5 wrote: post #12
FlorianRappl wrote: post #7

South Korea demonstrated from the beginning on how to deal with this (despite their slow start - which still is super quick compared to most western countries). But its completely wrong to think they passed it. They also have massive impediments at the moment. Back to normal? Far from it.

But people are still working and their economy is still running. This is a HUGE improvement over what we have currently in the USA.

& just looking at the raw data, they seem to have a waaay better solution than we do: https://imgur.com/a/2T0GVoe

from http://91-divoc.com/pages/covid-visualization/ if anyone wants to compare other stats.

Re: Seoul's full cafes, Apple store lines show mass testing success

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Post by bb2018 »

zamfi wrote: post #20
narrator wrote: post #11

Yup

> Bill Gates has literally been preparing the last 20 years to make enormous amounts of money on a forced vaccination program Is this one of those conspiracy theories I’ve been hearing about? Bill Gates’ foundation has been giving away money for decades. If you think he’s planning to make a bunch of money off “forced vaccination”, you’re stuck in the past — Gates doesn’t care about making more money, he cares about g…

Perhaps it would indulge the conspiracy theories too much - but I'd kinda love to see an actual breakdown of how something like this could ever make him money. Think of the huge amount of money he has lost from this in the other businesses he owns and think of all the money he invested in this for decades he could have invested in other lucrative industries.

How much would he need from this supposed plan to even breakeven? Thirty billion?

Re: Seoul's full cafes, Apple store lines show mass testing success

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Post by Benmcdonald__ »

Aretas77 wrote: post #16

Won't this reignite the spreading of the virus? Like, they missed a few people who were asymptotic and not tested, and are roaming the streets with other people?

Won't change as Korea never had a lock down and people were always going to cafes/restaurants

Re: Seoul's full cafes, Apple store lines show mass testing success

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Post by maxerickson »

throw_away wrote: post #22
3fe9a03ccd14ca5 wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

But people are still working and their economy is still running. This is a HUGE improvement over what we have currently in the USA.

& just looking at the raw data, they seem to have a waaay better solution than we do: https://imgur.com/a/2T0GVoe from http://91-divoc.com/pages/covid-visualization/ if anyone wants to compare other stats.

A significant part of the lower peak is the earlier intervention. There's similar patterns if you compare between US states.

Re: Seoul's full cafes, Apple store lines show mass testing success

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Post by teapourer »

To be clear, the Korean government officially still recommends social distancing. They are especially worried about the family picnics mentioned in the article, and have officially closed many public parks in response.

To repeat: don't take this as a sign that Korea believes it has successfully managed the outbreak.

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Post by colmvp »

microcolonel wrote: post #18
Aretas77 wrote: post #16

Won't this reignite the spreading of the virus? Like, they missed a few people who were asymptotic and not tested, and are roaming the streets with other people?

No, because they test people regularly and do accurate contact tracing. Thanks to a favourable regulatory environment and a profusion of capable people, South Korea scaled up testing and tracing capacity very rapidly. Furthermore, they were socially prepared to do the basic social distancing. Also, Taiwan has done an excellent job, and they didn't need to perform nearly as many tests. AFAIK there hasn't been a single…

Taiwan also has a lot of preventative measures, i.e. mandatory mask usage in mass transit systems, government issued masks and mask rationing system, automated temperature checks at various public spaces, mask usage in schools, plastic dividers at restaurants... on top of that they have a very sophisticated scalable method of tracking people who have the virus and ensuring that they are abiding by quarantine rules via tracing the location of their cell phone.

In my city, people are still arguing whether or not people in the mass transit system should be wearing masks.

Re: Seoul's full cafes, Apple store lines show mass testing success

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Post by jeremyjh »

api wrote: post #19
ajross wrote: post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes, but once the outbreak is at a low enough level, and you have sufficient test bandwidth, you can manage it via testing and tracing. Everyone who gets sick, with anything, gets tested (in some variants of the plan every everywhere gets tested every N days). If you find a positive, quarantine them and test everyone they came in contact with. Repeat. This reduces the rate of spread by catching community transmission…

That is very labor intensive and isn't sustainable. People will get complacent fast.

It is a lot more sustainable than the alternatives.

Re: Seoul's full cafes, Apple store lines show mass testing success

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Post by jeremyjh »

3fe9a03ccd14ca5 wrote: post #15
ldng wrote: post #9

On the other hand, they have something like 65 re-infected people. Could it be that they have a different/new strain ? Edit I don't see why the downvotes. It is easily fact-checkable. Those 65 persons were hospitalized for their symptoms, considered treated and released and about 2 weeks later showed symptoms again.

We need to wait until we have antibody testing to get a clear picture about this. A theory is that these asymptomatic cases simply had latent virus in their nasal passages (thus testing positive), and not actually be building any antibodies from an infection.

About half of the reinfected have symptoms.
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