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Seoul's full cafes, Apple store lines show mass testing success
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#12South Korea demonstrated from the beginning on how to deal with this (despite their slow start - which still is super quick compared to most western countries). But its completely wrong to think they passed it. They also have massive impediments at the moment. Back to normal? Far from it.
But people are still working and their economy is still running. This is a HUGE improvement over what we have currently in the USA.
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#14On the other hand, they have something like 65 re-infected people. Could it be that they have a different/new strain ? Edit I don't see why the downvotes. It is easily fact-checkable. Those 65 persons were hospitalized for their symptoms, considered treated and released and about 2 weeks later showed symptoms again.
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Re: Seoul's full cafes, Apple store lines show mass testing success
#15On the other hand, they have something like 65 re-infected people. Could it be that they have a different/new strain ? Edit I don't see why the downvotes. It is easily fact-checkable. Those 65 persons were hospitalized for their symptoms, considered treated and released and about 2 weeks later showed symptoms again.
We need to wait until we have antibody testing to get a clear picture about this.
A theory is that these asymptomatic cases simply had latent virus in their nasal passages (thus testing positive), and not actually be building any antibodies from an infection.
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#16Won't this reignite the spreading of the virus? Like, they missed a few people who were asymptotic and not tested, and are roaming the streets with other people?
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#17This worries me. South Korea's mass testing alone was not enough to contain the coronavirus outbreak; they relied on social distancing measures too: https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-southk...
Yes, but once the outbreak is at a low enough level, and you have sufficient test bandwidth, you can manage it via testing and tracing. Everyone who gets sick, with anything, gets tested (in some variants of the plan every everywhere gets tested every N days). If you find a positive, quarantine them and test everyone they came in contact with. Repeat. This reduces the rate of spread by catching community transmission…
The trouble is, reducing the size of the outbreak doesn't affect the number of tests needed to do this much at all, and the number of people South Korea has been testing doesn't seem to have increased in quite a while. In fact, it seems to have actually decreased compared to back in March. Like, as far as I can tell, they're still using the same contact tracing and testing strategy that failed to contain it before without additional strong social distancing, and the social distancing is weakening.
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#18Won't this reignite the spreading of the virus? Like, they missed a few people who were asymptotic and not tested, and are roaming the streets with other people?
No, because they test people regularly and do accurate contact tracing. Thanks to a favourable regulatory environment and a profusion of capable people, South Korea scaled up testing and tracing capacity very rapidly. Furthermore, they were socially prepared to do the basic social distancing.
Also, Taiwan has done an excellent job, and they didn't need to perform nearly as many tests. AFAIK there hasn't been a single additional confirmed case in Taiwan for the last three days.
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#19This worries me. South Korea's mass testing alone was not enough to contain the coronavirus outbreak; they relied on social distancing measures too: https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-southk...
Yes, but once the outbreak is at a low enough level, and you have sufficient test bandwidth, you can manage it via testing and tracing. Everyone who gets sick, with anything, gets tested (in some variants of the plan every everywhere gets tested every N days). If you find a positive, quarantine them and test everyone they came in contact with. Repeat. This reduces the rate of spread by catching community transmission…
That is very labor intensive and isn't sustainable. People will get complacent fast.
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#20Yup
> Bill Gates has literally been preparing the last 20 years to make enormous amounts of money on a forced vaccination program
Is this one of those conspiracy theories I’ve been hearing about?
Bill Gates’ foundation has been giving away money for decades. If you think he’s planning to make a bunch of money off “forced vaccination”, you’re stuck in the past — Gates doesn’t care about making more money, he cares about getting the respect of his peer group & broader society. He’s not going to earn money off this, he’s going to earn respect.
That has nothing to do with “forced” vaccination, and everything to do with (the perception of) saving lives otherwise lost to this virus. If he funds a real vaccine, whether forced or not, he’ll accomplish his goal.
Please, leave the shortsighted “greed” conspiracy theories off this site.