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Re: X410 – X Server for Windows 10

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Post by rfoo »

erinaceousjones wrote: post #139
gridlockd wrote: post #130

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The strongest argument for Windows is not its window management or UI tools, it's that you can use third-party software without dealing with too much bullshit. On Linux, if your third-party software is available at all, it's on some third party repo you have to add manually, or maybe it's a binary which may or may not work on your particular distribution on your particular version. This is basically the reason why I…

(After re-reading my own comment, I don't think I'm particularly rebuking what you said, it's turned into a "I hate computers" vent :-)) In my eyes, how Windows and Linux deal with third party software is identical... The Windows model forever has been "you just double click an .exe or an .msi and it runs". i.e. outside of stuff published on Windows Store (which many developers will not do), it's down to the develope…

One key difference is the OS application interface is defined as a group of system provided dynamic libraries on Windows, not syscalls. So Windows effectively provides a set of very reliable core libraries that is guaranteed to be backward compatible. And as long as you don't use newly added APIs, also forward compatible. While on Linux even libc is decoupled from the kernel, each distribution uses a different version, the application cannot distribute its own libc in any sane way, and the glibc choose to use ELF symbol version to make incompatible changes to frequently used APIs (like memcpy), sabotage bidirectional compatible attempts.

Oh, and there are only one Windows distribution. Not at least 3 major ones.

These both make packaging for Linux hard (requiring kinda funny solutions wrapping up a sysroot as a whole, like Snap or AppImage), while on Windows, the developer builds an exe, and voila, it works everywhere, even on very old systems. There are simply no funky stuffs e.g. glibc symbol version issue.

Re: X410 – X Server for Windows 10

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Post by nycticorax »

stragies wrote: post #16

I wish, there was a standard URL suffix for "Pages for Techies", like "/techspecs", or similar. Whenever I go to a Product-Page like this one, I'm instantly turned off by the flashiness and wordy prose. I want a feature list, in text form, not an intro-movie! Before closing the tab i did notice though, that this product seems interesting, and I would have liked to read more about it.

Yeah, it's funny how often I end up going to the Wikipedia page of a company or product to find out what they're selling in plain language.

Re: X410 – X Server for Windows 10

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Post by Nexxxeh »

kdamica wrote: post #4

I've been using VcXsrv ( https://sourceforge.net/projects/vcxsrv/ ) to do the same thing for a few months. It works well in most cases, but it can be janky. The scaling doesn't always work well if you're using a hidpi screen, and I had one application that was crashing consistently under certain circumstances. Definitely going to try this out, but I wonder if it's worth paying for when I have a free alternative that…

From a value perspective, according to other comments it's permanently "on sale" is that changes the maths.

Re: X410 – X Server for Windows 10

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Post by jchw »

dancemethis wrote: post #183
jchw wrote: post #79

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With all due respect I find this view shallow and very incomplete. Open source is not a set of licenses, it’s people, companies, code, etc. The only reason to ever talk about open source in terms of just what the licenses say alone is if you are dealing with legal issues. The licenses themselves are nothing more than a tool used to facilitate open source within the copyright system. Again... legal obligations and mor…

you are swapping Free Software with open source everywhere. open source was coined exactly to stride away from any spirit and ethical standings, focusing only on the code and its practical advantages when available to be shared. This way, enterprise can be more likely to accept it. (also because English-based enterprise is deemed too dumb to understand free can mean two different things) Free Software is the thing th…

That’s the FSF point of view, and I and others respectfully disagree. I don’t believe open source is better because of ethics, I do think open source would not work if everyone were as unethical as possible. I will continue to use the term “open source” to refer to the whole shebang, which has been best for communicating to most people who aren’t fighting over terminology semantics as a means to push ideology.

Re: X410 – X Server for Windows 10

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Post by oefrha »

dang wrote: post #198
oefrha wrote: post #25

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Sorry to break it to you, but there’s nothing immoral about repackaging open source software (even if there’s no value-add at all, which is not true in this case) and trying to make a living out of it, as long as it respects the license of the project being repackaged. On a more personal note, I checked out your profile and you don’t seem to be contributing to open source much, so maybe first try to bring us somethin…

Personal attacks will get you banned here, regardless of how little someone else has contributed to open source or how mad their comment makes you feel. It's particularly not ok to bring someone else's personal details as ammunition in an argument (or attempt to): https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=true&que... . But please omit the name-calling ('leecher') and snark ('sorry to break it to you') also.…

I was fully aware of the guidelines and potential consequences when posting this comment. That said I didn’t expect it to be a serious enough violation to deserve a moderation comment.

I think a little bit of context is warranted. The parent is a shallow dismissal that applies to a vast amount of paid software (to be clear I have no skin in the game at all); “Wow how revolutionary! /s” didn’t help either. It’s a rather obvious case of guidelines violation itself according to my understanding, and it’s painful to see it voted to the top, which IMO doesn’t reflect well on the community at all.

(I know piling on a bad comment is no defense for breaking rules, but seeing it at the top was a bit much.)

As for the personal attack, the shallow dismissal is pretty bad as is, but I wouldn’t have vented my frustration if it came from someone who has notable contributions behind their belt and could somewhat understandably attack paid software like this. Not even meeting that threshold was a tipping point for me. Personally I gauge whether I have crossed the line with the thought experiment of whether I could say it out loud to that person’s face. In this case I could and I wouldn’t be ashamed of it. It breaks the rules here, that’s very clear, but I’m not ashamed of the comment.

Some specifics:

> name-calling (‘leecher’)

I was making a BitTorrent analogy where a seeder is someone who uploads and a leecher is someone who downloads. It was not meant to be offensive, but I can see how it could be read that way. Will be more careful in the future.

> snark

Point taken.

Overall, I don’t regret posting this comment, even if I’m banned for it right now. I will do my best to shut up in the future though, if I’m not.

Re: X410 – X Server for Windows 10

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Post by oefrha »

oefrha wrote: post #205
dang wrote: post #198

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Personal attacks will get you banned here, regardless of how little someone else has contributed to open source or how mad their comment makes you feel. It's particularly not ok to bring someone else's personal details as ammunition in an argument (or attempt to): https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=true&que... . But please omit the name-calling ('leecher') and snark ('sorry to break it to you') also.…

I was fully aware of the guidelines and potential consequences when posting this comment. That said I didn’t expect it to be a serious enough violation to deserve a moderation comment. I think a little bit of context is warranted. The parent is a shallow dismissal that applies to a vast amount of paid software (to be clear I have no skin in the game at all); “Wow how revolutionary! /s” didn’t help either. It’s a rath…

Follow-up: I read more moderation comments at https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=true&que... which gave me a better idea of why using personal details in arguments would degrade discussions here. That made me change my mind and I’ll not do it again.

I maintain that the parent comment is toxic and disappointing for the community.

Re: X410 – X Server for Windows 10

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Post by dang »

oefrha wrote: post #206
oefrha wrote: post #205

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I was fully aware of the guidelines and potential consequences when posting this comment. That said I didn’t expect it to be a serious enough violation to deserve a moderation comment. I think a little bit of context is warranted. The parent is a shallow dismissal that applies to a vast amount of paid software (to be clear I have no skin in the game at all); “Wow how revolutionary! /s” didn’t help either. It’s a rath…

Follow-up: I read more moderation comments at https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=true&que... which gave me a better idea of why using personal details in arguments would degrade discussions here. That made me change my mind and I’ll not do it again. I maintain that the parent comment is toxic and disappointing for the community.

Thanks for looking at those comments and getting them; you have no idea how much I appreciate that!

I agree that the GP comment was a shallow dismissal, and those often lead to generic subthreads, which tend to attract upvotes and replies and generally change the subject to a more generic topic, which is bad. Most of the damage is in the upvotes, actually, because the biggest problem comes from such a comment sitting at the top of a thread, accruing mass and choking out more specific and substantive discussion. That's a big problem on HN.

When we see generic subthreads or shallow dismissals or (worse) flamewar tangents at the top of an HN discussion, we downweight them. That has turned out to be a great solution, especially when the subthread isn't really violating the site guidelines. Its big weakness is that it requires us to know about it, and we don't come close to seeing everything that gets posted here. If you or anyone sees one of these discussion-choking subthreads sitting as the top comment, emailing hn@ycombinator.com a heads-up would be a valuable contribution. Those are some of the best heads-ups we get, especially when a thread is still live.

Re: X410 – X Server for Windows 10

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Post by johnsoft »

cercatrova wrote: post #123

For a somewhat alternative if you want to run both Linux and Windows, you can run Linux natively and then run Windows in a VM with GPU passthrough. Then you can use Looking Glass which sends the Windows pixels to a Linux window with native performance. For the Linux machine, you can run it as a host or use something like Proxmox as a hypervisor if you need more VMs or containers. I use this setup to run Windows, macO…

I'm glad someone brought this up. I'm about to build a new rig and was hoping to make it compatible with Looking Glass (I can buy any hardware I need since it's a fresh build), but I can't make sense of the hardware requirements.

I was planning on an AMD GPU, since nvidia famously has bad Linux support and I don't want the driver headaches.

BUT – all the hardware lists I come across warn you not to buy AMD GPUs because they are buggy: https://passthroughpo.st/vfio-increments/

So which is it? Do I have to just put up with the driver problems on the linux side?

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