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X410 – X Server for Windows 10

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Re: X410 – X Server for Windows 10

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Post by ethanwillis »

ngcc_hk wrote: post #159
ethanwillis wrote: post #69

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In general.. if things are being priced then the price should be based on what it costs to make it.. for the price floor. Otherwise you get a lot of perverse incentives.

It never was the model, even from day one? The service is not free, even if the code is. You can do it yourself fine. If you need somebody else effort not related to source, you should pay for it.

I think you don't understand what I'm saying. I'm saying the effort that has gone into it sets a PRICE FLOOR, not a PRICE CEILING.

Re: X410 – X Server for Windows 10

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Post by dancemethis »

jchw wrote: post #79
dgellow wrote: post #42

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> I do believe there is a spirit of open source. The only things defining open source and free software are the copyright hacks that are licenses such as GPL, MIT, BSD, etc. If someone wants their code to not be used a certain way, they can adapt their license it to avoid it.

With all due respect I find this view shallow and very incomplete. Open source is not a set of licenses, it’s people, companies, code, etc. The only reason to ever talk about open source in terms of just what the licenses say alone is if you are dealing with legal issues. The licenses themselves are nothing more than a tool used to facilitate open source within the copyright system. Again... legal obligations and mor…

you are swapping Free Software with open source everywhere.

open source was coined exactly to stride away from any spirit and ethical standings, focusing only on the code and its practical advantages when available to be shared. This way, enterprise can be more likely to accept it. (also because English-based enterprise is deemed too dumb to understand free can mean two different things)

Free Software is the thing that sees practical and ethical advantages as an indivisible unit. And it's fine to sell Free Software as long as you guarantee the buyer's right to acquire the source, in the case of the GPL for example.

Re: X410 – X Server for Windows 10

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Post by packetlost »

int_19h wrote: post #18
joyfulmantis wrote: post #9

They are asking $50 for something that there are other open source solutions for. It would be interesting to find out how much of the original source code is the developers and how much is just repackaging of one of the multitude of open source X servers for Windows that are currently available. Originally thinking it was another open source project, I looked at the website to see if there were some features that wou…

They used to sell it for much cheaper - way back when I got it, I'm pretty sure it was under $10. If they raised it that much, surely that's a sign of demand? I have little doubt that it's a polished fork, but what ultimately matters is the value added - in this case, the value is, "it just works". The only thing I had to do manually was to configure DISPLAY=:0 system-wide in my WSL.

I also bought it for I think $5 maybe a year or two ago. I've also purchased a license for Xming (while strictly not necessary, at the time I had some version specific issues), and X410 is a very nice set-and-forget application. I would not say it's worth $50, but I have definitely gotten my $5-10 out of it.

Re: X410 – X Server for Windows 10

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Post by lottin »

ken wrote: post #163
rollingbarreler wrote: post #116

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I don't think there is anything wrong with paying for software. Free software isn't about the price, it's about the liberty,freedom of the software itself.

Is this free software? It looks like this doesn’t give the user freedom, either.

Zero mentions of the licensing terms on the main page, which makes me very suspicious.

Re: X410 – X Server for Windows 10

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Post by heavyset_go »

cercatrova wrote: post #176
stragies wrote: post #172

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"for certain Intel systems" makes it sound rare. https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Intel_GVT-g says, anything Broadwell and up should work, so any device from 2015+ should work for creating vGPUs, and thus be able to use native acceleration at host and vm-guest level!

Yes, but is that also the case for mobile Intel CPUs? I was unsure so I said "some" rather than "most."

GVT-g works on my mobile Intel GPU.

Re: X410 – X Server for Windows 10

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Post by michaelcampbell »

syockit wrote: post #60

I (and most of my colleagues) stopped using vcxsrv at my workplace since we moved from Qt4 to Qt5. At some point in between, Qt stopped supporting native X11 painting[1] which means all of the graphics are now drawn as bitmap at server side and sent in whole to the client. That easily hoses up our network. The problem is more exarcebated now that Japan has declared state of emergency and everyone is urged to work fro…

> We now resort to using VNC solutions.

Isn's this just ...

> graphics are now drawn as bitmap at server side and sent in whole to the client.

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Re: X410 – X Server for Windows 10

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Post by jamesfmilne »

datenwolf wrote: post #134
jamesfmilne wrote: post #118

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X also doesn't really work if you UI is implemented with OpenGL or similar. I've been using NoMachine and it works very well. Others I know are using Teradici, or HP Remote Graphics.

> X also doesn't really work if you UI is implemented with OpenGL or similar. Depends on how you use the OpenGL API. OpenGL display lists, once compiled, are extremly light on the connection. However they're also deprecreated and no longer supported in (forward compatible) OpenGL-3.3 core. But then again there's no 3.3 GLX specification.

For the stuff I'm doing (image processing), indirect GL is not an option.

Re: X410 – X Server for Windows 10

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Post by paulcarroty »

yrro wrote: post #156
AshamedCaptain wrote: post #136

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Even with an old Intel IGP it moves smoothly at 4k, framerate locked at 60fps of course. And this has nothing to do with "YouTube videos" which is a completely different animal.

Well here with 'Intel Corporation HD Graphics 620 (rev 02)' it's awful in Firefox and still has the odd hitch every few seconds with Chromium. Youtube videos are likewise not smooth.

Firefox now supports video HW acceleration in Wayland. Also patch is available for Chromium, Brave merged it.

Of course Linux still has "desktop" issues, but definitely not Youtube-related.

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