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What happens when a ccTLD is retired? Exploring the potential risks of .io

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hanoz wrote: post #53
smkellat wrote: post #47

A nice, spammy scare piece. The bit about the UK somehow losing its permanent seat on the UN Security Council over Diego Garcia was a wee bit off. The UN’s charter would have to be changed to change the permanent members of the Security Council. Those same permanent members can veto any such proposed change. They can’t be forced out without rupturing things to the point of just creating a separate UN 2.0 excluding th…

Bafflingly absurd to suggest a permanent seat at the council could be forfeit over such a matter. These seats are occupied by the victors of the last world war, and will continue to be so until the results of the next one.

While that might be true for US, UK and Russia, I fail to see how China and France won WW2.

Re: What happens when a ccTLD is retired? Exploring the potential risks of .io

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jandrese wrote: post #17
chrononaut wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

For context .yu was the ccTLD for Yugoslavia, and .me is the ccTLD for Montenegro, which is one of the states formerly part of Yugoslavia before its dissolution.

How many .yu domains were registered when Yugoslavia broke up? Back in 1992 most people had never even heard of the Internet, especially in politically unstable third world countries. You could probably count the number of .yu domains registered on your hands.

>Back in 1992 most people had never even heard of the Internet, especially in politically unstable third world countries.

I never remember Yugoslavia as being a third world country. Purchasing power wasn't as high as in US but it certainly wasn't third world level and no people died of hunger, or because they did not afford health care. Also, housing was affordable.

Re: What happens when a ccTLD is retired? Exploring the potential risks of .io

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brohee wrote: post #42
reaperducer wrote: post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

By virtue of being a former Soviet satellite, .yu was second-world, not third-world.

Yugoslavia was communist but no Soviet satellite... See https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tito%E2%80%93Stalin_split

There is some doubt in that. Many suspect it was just a facade to trick the West.

Re: What happens when a ccTLD is retired? Exploring the potential risks of .io

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DeathArrow wrote: post #81
hanoz wrote: post #53

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Bafflingly absurd to suggest a permanent seat at the council could be forfeit over such a matter. These seats are occupied by the victors of the last world war, and will continue to be so until the results of the next one.

While that might be true for US, UK and Russia, I fail to see how China and France won WW2.

Major powers on the winning side that didn’t finish the war as Imperial Japan and Nazi Germany.

Beware the overwhelming Eurocentrism of WWII history as well, China was heavily involved throughout the duration of the conflict and took 3-4 million military casualties with 7-8 civilian casualties in the Pacific theater of WWII, second only to Russia (ignoring the losers).

Re: What happens when a ccTLD is retired? Exploring the potential risks of .io

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mrmanner wrote: post #77
jedberg wrote: post #32

It seems that there is an easy solution here that is being overlooked. Allow any country to nominate their ccTLD for conversion to gTLD, and make that automatic when a country dissolves. Hold an auction for the gTLD for anyone who qualifies under the existing gTLD rules, and the highest bidder gets to run the gTLD. The proceeds of the auction go to the country that owned the ccTLD. A lot of small countries would prob…

This works until the BIOT becomes part of Mauritius and the eastern part of Ohio declare sovereignty under the name Inner Ohio and get the ISO code IO :)

I won't be surprised if there is a Free Ohio movement in some obscure corners of the Internet with its members all different personalities of its glorious leader.

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xxpor wrote: post #34
scythe wrote: post #30

Earlier quoted context omitted.

More importantly, the whole reason that the UK owns the islands, and the reason it evicted the Chagossians, was because the United States wanted them to . The UK will not lose its place on the UNSC for doing the bidding of the US. The UK likewise will not give up its territory because they would much rather piss off the ICJ than the US. The islands are a UK colony only in name; they are a US colony in reality. I feel…

Given how little care is given to the Marshallese in the US, where we literally nuked their islands out of existence, I can't imagine anyone's going to care about BIOT any time soon.

I imagine Soviet leaders were jealous. US destroyed other people's islands while they had to destroy their own in the Arctic Ocean.

Re: What happens when a ccTLD is retired? Exploring the potential risks of .io

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voldacar wrote: post #11

Does the current TLD system even make sense? There is a .amazon, a .google, a .cancerresearch, a .sex, a .rich (which costs thousands of dollars btw). Plenty of them such as .io and .tv are all completely untethered from their original meanings/purposes. At this point, a website is just a string with a '.' in it somewhere. Instead of having 1500+ discretely decided upon TLDs why not just let people just create their…

>Instead of having 1500+ discretely decided upon TLDs why not just let people just create their own TLDs as long as they have a server to host the DNS

How would that fix anything?

The problem is the actual hierarchical DNS system, not who gets to own a tld.

Re: What happens when a ccTLD is retired? Exploring the potential risks of .io

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Post by DeathArrow »

burajin wrote: post #44
voldacar wrote: post #11

Does the current TLD system even make sense? There is a .amazon, a .google, a .cancerresearch, a .sex, a .rich (which costs thousands of dollars btw). Plenty of them such as .io and .tv are all completely untethered from their original meanings/purposes. At this point, a website is just a string with a '.' in it somewhere. Instead of having 1500+ discretely decided upon TLDs why not just let people just create their…

That'd be a nightmare if .io got taken away. Handshake.org works to solve ICANN's TLD issue (they control the entire namespace) and charge like $185,000-250k for a gTLD Nobody really uses opennic and it has the same issues as ICANN "a single party controls the namespace" with naming on Handshake it's verified, with no trust going to a single authority. Handshake is a decentralized root zone file, how it should be. Ch…

>(uses a coin to prevent sybil attacks)

Hurray. So it solves the actual issue of the people who makes fortunes from the DNS system not being the nice people behind that coin.

Re: What happens when a ccTLD is retired? Exploring the potential risks of .io

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Post by DeathArrow »

tialaramex wrote: post #63
echelon wrote: post #55

Earlier quoted context omitted.

https://icannwiki.org/.rich There are only 99 registered domains, a few of which are probably owned by the registry itself. At $2,500/yr/domain, they're not exactly making bank. The cost to maintain all of this probably eats into the profit a bit.

I'd be surprised if it even pays for itself. Running a gTLD is not intended to be cheap. $1M pa is the ballpark I've seen quoted. Lots of people had the idea that they'd get a million customers and so even at one dollar per customer they couldn't help but make money, the reality in a lot of cases was few customers and no route out. A handful of general purpose gTLDs work, there's one quite popular in Russia for examp…

>Mostly gTLDs were/ are a way for ICANN to make a lot of money exploring stupid people's greed.

In the '90s people told that buying lots of .com was a waste. And now we have domain hoarders making millions.

Re: What happens when a ccTLD is retired? Exploring the potential risks of .io

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gfody wrote: post #72
josteink wrote: post #71

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Nobody should run anything serious on a ccTLD. Except of course if they’re from the country in question, in which case it carries extra end-user trust.

I'd trust a .com over a .lc even in Saint Lucia, ymmv

We prefer ccTLD for local audience and .com for global audience. We even use .eu if audience is just EU.

Having a .com seems strange in my country.

But I think that more and more websites desire to target an international audience so battle over .com domains gets tougher and tougher.

I won't be surprised when I'll see the first .com domain being sold for $1 million.

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