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What happens when a ccTLD is retired? Exploring the potential risks of .io

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Re: What happens when a ccTLD is retired? Exploring the potential risks of .io

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Post by jedberg »

dmurray wrote: post #39
jedberg wrote: post #32

It seems that there is an easy solution here that is being overlooked. Allow any country to nominate their ccTLD for conversion to gTLD, and make that automatic when a country dissolves. Hold an auction for the gTLD for anyone who qualifies under the existing gTLD rules, and the highest bidder gets to run the gTLD. The proceeds of the auction go to the country that owned the ccTLD. A lot of small countries would prob…

What's the difference between this and the current situation where countries can also sell or lease their ccTLD to the highest bidder? Are the gTLD registrars held to stricter standards when it comes to continuity of service?

It's functionally the same but removes government control for a one time cash infusion, so it makes the incentives a bit different.

Re: What happens when a ccTLD is retired? Exploring the potential risks of .io

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Post by brohee »

reaperducer wrote: post #22
jandrese wrote: post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

How many .yu domains were registered when Yugoslavia broke up? Back in 1992 most people had never even heard of the Internet, especially in politically unstable third world countries. You could probably count the number of .yu domains registered on your hands.

By virtue of being a former Soviet satellite, .yu was second-world, not third-world.

Yugoslavia was communist but no Soviet satellite... See https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tito%E2%80%93Stalin_split

Re: What happens when a ccTLD is retired? Exploring the potential risks of .io

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Post by axaxs »

jml7c5 wrote: post #8
icedchai wrote: post #4

I doubt .io will disappear. .su is still running decades after the fall of the USSR.

Aye, any attempt at retirement would quickly result in a new '.io' gTLD replacing the '.io' ccTLD. The more reasonable concern is not that the ccTLD is retired, but that registration rules and/or prices are changed.

The gtld program requires TLDs be at least 3 characters long.

Re: What happens when a ccTLD is retired? Exploring the potential risks of .io

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Post by burajin »

voldacar wrote: post #11

Does the current TLD system even make sense? There is a .amazon, a .google, a .cancerresearch, a .sex, a .rich (which costs thousands of dollars btw). Plenty of them such as .io and .tv are all completely untethered from their original meanings/purposes. At this point, a website is just a string with a '.' in it somewhere. Instead of having 1500+ discretely decided upon TLDs why not just let people just create their…

That'd be a nightmare if .io got taken away. Handshake.org works to solve ICANN's TLD issue (they control the entire namespace) and charge like $185,000-250k for a gTLD

Nobody really uses opennic and it has the same issues as ICANN "a single party controls the namespace" with naming on Handshake it's verified, with no trust going to a single authority.

Handshake is a decentralized root zone file, how it should be. Check out Handshake.org (uses a coin to prevent sybil attacks) Namebase.io to bid on TLDS Nextdns.io (enable handshake) in the options Some good guides and a video here: https://dns.live/start.html

Works on top of regular DNS and supports top 100k alexa domains to prevent abuse/theft

I just bought a few TLDs DNS Live offers free hosting etc (ns/web) if you get a tld off of Namebase.io

Sorry if I seem a little biased. A cool thing to play with though. The internet naming system should be way better especially with whatever this corrupt .org sale is to some illuminati Ethos Capital, ICANN selling .org to themselves? lol

California just halted the .org sale in the spirit of an open and free internet. ICANN has too much power, and would have made over a billion on the .org sale.

Re: What happens when a ccTLD is retired? Exploring the potential risks of .io

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Post by jml7c5 »

axaxs wrote: post #43
jml7c5 wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Aye, any attempt at retirement would quickly result in a new '.io' gTLD replacing the '.io' ccTLD. The more reasonable concern is not that the ccTLD is retired, but that registration rules and/or prices are changed.

The gtld program requires TLDs be at least 3 characters long.

I wasn't aware of that! Well, my mistake; retirement is a real concern after all.

Re: What happens when a ccTLD is retired? Exploring the potential risks of .io

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Post by swiley »

jedberg wrote: post #32

It seems that there is an easy solution here that is being overlooked. Allow any country to nominate their ccTLD for conversion to gTLD, and make that automatic when a country dissolves. Hold an auction for the gTLD for anyone who qualifies under the existing gTLD rules, and the highest bidder gets to run the gTLD. The proceeds of the auction go to the country that owned the ccTLD. A lot of small countries would prob…

Really? I'm not so sure about that. Many countries make a lot of money just renting their ccTLD out.

Sure many would probably do it but I don't think it's

1) good, it's nice that we have eg gov.uk Even if you don't live in the UK.

2) Economically beneficial to most countries that would elect to do it in the long term.

Re: What happens when a ccTLD is retired? Exploring the potential risks of .io

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Post by smkellat »

A nice, spammy scare piece. The bit about the UK somehow losing its permanent seat on the UN Security Council over Diego Garcia was a wee bit off. The UN’s charter would have to be changed to change the permanent members of the Security Council. Those same permanent members can veto any such proposed change. They can’t be forced out without rupturing things to the point of just creating a separate UN 2.0 excluding the UK and probably the USA too.

Re: What happens when a ccTLD is retired? Exploring the potential risks of .io

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Post by kevin_thibedeau »

mmm_grayons wrote: post #12

Domains really shouldn't be tied to country of origin. Conceptually, it doesn't make sense to restrict DNS based on geopolitical boundaries. If a foreign company wants to register a .us domain, for instance, nothing should stop it.

If whitehouse.gov let their registration lapse... watch out.

Re: What happens when a ccTLD is retired? Exploring the potential risks of .io

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Post by mirimir »

voldacar wrote: post #11

Does the current TLD system even make sense? There is a .amazon, a .google, a .cancerresearch, a .sex, a .rich (which costs thousands of dollars btw). Plenty of them such as .io and .tv are all completely untethered from their original meanings/purposes. At this point, a website is just a string with a '.' in it somewhere. Instead of having 1500+ discretely decided upon TLDs why not just let people just create their…

Indeed.

Isn't this just an other example of how dangerous it is to base your business on third party resources?

Re: What happens when a ccTLD is retired? Exploring the potential risks of .io

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Post by jedberg »

swiley wrote: post #46
jedberg wrote: post #32

It seems that there is an easy solution here that is being overlooked. Allow any country to nominate their ccTLD for conversion to gTLD, and make that automatic when a country dissolves. Hold an auction for the gTLD for anyone who qualifies under the existing gTLD rules, and the highest bidder gets to run the gTLD. The proceeds of the auction go to the country that owned the ccTLD. A lot of small countries would prob…

Really? I'm not so sure about that. Many countries make a lot of money just renting their ccTLD out. Sure many would probably do it but I don't think it's 1) good, it's nice that we have eg gov.uk Even if you don't live in the UK. 2) Economically beneficial to most countries that would elect to do it in the long term.

For the countries that derive benefit from the current arrangement, they would just maintain the status quo. But this gives an option to existing countries who need a cash infusion now, as well as a streamlined process for dealing with countries that no longer exist.
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