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X410 – X Server for Windows 10

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Re: X410 – X Server for Windows 10

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Post by tjoff »

dlkmp wrote: post #53

I don't fully understand what this is capable of. Can I use this to run a window manager like xmonad? If so, does it work only for linux gui apps run through WSL or also for windows programs? I really love what WSL has been doing so far and this would really take it to the next level. I'd actually consider switching my private computer to Windows.

Haven't been using this specifically but it looks similar enough to vcxsrv.

To me the big selling points of both this and vcxsrv is using seamless windows so that the windows are just like any other windows-window and not like VNC or something where you get two desktops - one for local and one for remote.

In vcxsrv, and it seems this one as well, can also run a window manager. I tried i3 that way, but it is quite clunky and the shortcuts collided with windows native shortcuts in a bad way. Maybe there are fixes for that. But it will would still only be for linux apps and not windows apps.

Re: X410 – X Server for Windows 10

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Post by SifJar »

RcouF1uZ4gsC wrote: post #62
joyfulmantis wrote: post #9

They are asking $50 for something that there are other open source solutions for. It would be interesting to find out how much of the original source code is the developers and how much is just repackaging of one of the multitude of open source X servers for Windows that are currently available. Originally thinking it was another open source project, I looked at the website to see if there were some features that wou…

The most successful open source company ever (RedHat) made their whole business packaging up open source in a nice manner. People will pay for convenience and polish. Also, i would guess that Windows users are not likely to be free software purists and just wants something that works with a minimum of fuss. The price of software should be based on the value it provides to the user, not on what it cost to make it.

> Also, i would guess that Windows users are not likely to be free software purists

The ones looking for an X server may be more likely to be

Re: X410 – X Server for Windows 10

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Post by jchw »

oefrha wrote: post #47
jchw wrote: post #38

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think you are mistaking legal obligations for morality. I believe what they are doing is probably fine. However, without properly stating their value-add, it may be misleading to users that do not understand there are also open source options with very similar functionality. I think I get the idea, but nonetheless. Legality and whatnot aside, I do believe there is a spirit of open source. Like, if everyone in the w…

> I do believe there is a spirit of open source. Like, if everyone in the world behaved the “worst” they could while fulfilling all legal obligations, nothing would be functional at all anywhere. Yeah, tell me about it, did I fail to mention I actually write widely used open source software, as opposed to the original complainer whose profile indicates little open source activity? > In that vein, I hope they do contr…

I never made an endorsement of gp, I just took your remarks at face value (but not out of context.) It’s all conjecture anyways, but if I were a user reading that page I wouldn’t have gotten the impression this was a fork of something I could get for free. We don’t really know anything. For all we know it could be written entirely from scratch; an X server from scratch is really not outside the realm of possibility (it would probably be pointless though.)

Re: X410 – X Server for Windows 10

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Post by solarkraft »

SifJar wrote: post #73
RcouF1uZ4gsC wrote: post #62

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The most successful open source company ever (RedHat) made their whole business packaging up open source in a nice manner. People will pay for convenience and polish. Also, i would guess that Windows users are not likely to be free software purists and just wants something that works with a minimum of fuss. The price of software should be based on the value it provides to the user, not on what it cost to make it.

> Also, i would guess that Windows users are not likely to be free software purists The ones looking for an X server may be more likely to be

I'm kind of one and will prefer FOSS solution on Windows well, even though I know there's no chance of the system ever being "pure".

Re: X410 – X Server for Windows 10

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Post by mkl »

oskenso wrote: post #48

Has no one heard of moonlight? With an Nvidia card you can attach windows remote desktop - mstsc.exe to it and bam, nvenc encoded dynamic bitrate low latency remote desktop fully functional with audio!

That seems totally unrelated. This is primarily for running Linux GUI apps in WSL (i.e. locally), which is otherwise terminal only. Moonlight looks interesting but doesn't serve the same purpose at all.

Re: X410 – X Server for Windows 10

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Post by _ph_ »

fragmede wrote: post #68
RcouF1uZ4gsC wrote: post #62

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The most successful open source company ever (RedHat) made their whole business packaging up open source in a nice manner. People will pay for convenience and polish. Also, i would guess that Windows users are not likely to be free software purists and just wants something that works with a minimum of fuss. The price of software should be based on the value it provides to the user, not on what it cost to make it.

That glosses over RedHat's strong arm sales tactics of the community, and rules-lawyering the GPL. Redistributing "their" source, as allowed by the GPL, is liable for your support license to not get renewed. And where's the Red Hat kernel source in a digestible format? I haven't followed recently, but they were at one point distributing their diffs to the mainline kernel as a single giant patch file and arguing that…

I don't know the support contract details from RedHat, but they are one very large contributor to the kernel and other parts of the eco system as they employ lots of the contributors. Also, their source is freely available, they call it CentOS.

Re: X410 – X Server for Windows 10

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Post by [deleted] »

DonHopkins wrote: post #65
29athrowaway wrote: post #28

I hope this motivates people to fully transition to Linux. There's a lot of FUD around Linux. Just install it and see for yourself. You'll never need Windows again.

Your table is ready for you, sir. https://web.archive.org/web/20050924142700/http://reddit.com... Did you know that Voyager 1 has just reached the edge of the solar system after 28 years in space, while Microsoft's nightmare inches closer to reality??!

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Re: X410 – X Server for Windows 10

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Post by jchw »

dgellow wrote: post #42
jchw wrote: post #38

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think you are mistaking legal obligations for morality. I believe what they are doing is probably fine. However, without properly stating their value-add, it may be misleading to users that do not understand there are also open source options with very similar functionality. I think I get the idea, but nonetheless. Legality and whatnot aside, I do believe there is a spirit of open source. Like, if everyone in the w…

> I do believe there is a spirit of open source. The only things defining open source and free software are the copyright hacks that are licenses such as GPL, MIT, BSD, etc. If someone wants their code to not be used a certain way, they can adapt their license it to avoid it.

With all due respect I find this view shallow and very incomplete. Open source is not a set of licenses, it’s people, companies, code, etc. The only reason to ever talk about open source in terms of just what the licenses say alone is if you are dealing with legal issues. The licenses themselves are nothing more than a tool used to facilitate open source within the copyright system.

Again... legal obligations and morality are two different things. Morality is subjective. You can’t encode morality or subjectivity to that degree into a license. You can’t legally enforce the spirit of a community or movement.

Obviously GPL strikes some kind of balance by trying to encode a legal provision that forces collaboration, and that’s cool. But GPL is a trade-off. It creates legal problems that don't hugely benefit anyone. ZFS on Linux is a perfect example of where GPL hinders a perfectly in-spirit action that would mostly be to everyone’s benefit.

Whether you prefer erring on the side of caution or on the side of flexibility is more of a personal thing. I tend to use a BSD license, and I don’t personally care what happens to my code. Still, that doesn’t mean that I think there aren’t ways to abuse that where someone benefits and open source loses.

Re: X410 – X Server for Windows 10

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Post by _ph_ »

jiggawatts wrote: post #59
datnoblesavage wrote: post #44

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What benefits do you see from running windows? I really see none as a software dev and os enthusiast. The only reason I kept windows so long was for a game that I stopped playing 2 years ago, and the only reason I have to use it now is because the company I currently work in has made us use it. WSL makes me embarrassed to show my work colleague how good linux/vim/tmux really is (but that might be because the laptop's…

It's always bemuses me to see some Linux developers talk like there is literally no other option, and that all 'real' development is done on Linux. Meanwhile, in the Real World(tm), something like 80% of all software is developed for Windows or other non-Linux operating systems. Linux is just the most popular, at the moment, with a small subset of developers in a certain age-range. Mostly web-developers working outsi…

Yes, the "desktop" is basically Windows with some traces of Macs :). For server-like systems, Linux has pretty much "won" though. Which probably is the reason why MS is working on WSL. There are also a lot of GUI applications, which run mostly on Linux because their work domain fits in a server-like setup - and be it even for data protection reasons where the applications are running on a server cluster accessed by a remote protocol like Citrix.
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