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Re: X410 – X Server for Windows 10

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Does anyone want to share how they use the WSL2 & X-Server combination?

In my case, I'm mostly happy with the VSCode WSL2 integration. I keep all my projects on the linux fs and it is fast to work with. The only thing which annoys me is the window management in Windows. Too much Mouse movement and random ALT-TAB-ing.

I've never got i3 to work with a Windows x server on multiple displays with high dpi. X401 also only supports a single display.

Re: X410 – X Server for Windows 10

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Sorry to break it to you, but there’s nothing immoral about repackaging open source software (even if there’s no value-add at all, which is not true in this case) and trying to make a living out of it, as long as it respects the license of the project being repackaged. On a more personal note, I checked out your profile and you don’t seem to be contributing to open source much, so maybe first try to bring us somethin…

I think you are mistaking legal obligations for morality. I believe what they are doing is probably fine. However, without properly stating their value-add, it may be misleading to users that do not understand there are also open source options with very similar functionality. I think I get the idea, but nonetheless. Legality and whatnot aside, I do believe there is a spirit of open source. Like, if everyone in the w…

> I do believe there is a spirit of open source.

The only things defining open source and free software are the copyright hacks that are licenses such as GPL, MIT, BSD, etc. If someone wants their code to not be used a certain way, they can adapt their license it to avoid it.

Re: X410 – X Server for Windows 10

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There are several free alternatives like vcxsrv (https://sourceforge.net/projects/vcxsrv/) that I used in the past in combination with WSL to work with a proper gnome shell instead of the WSL bash shell (that doesn’t have tabs and many other niceties). Works pretty well except maybe for high DPI environments.

Re: X410 – X Server for Windows 10

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What are you guys using this for mostly?

I haven't used this Xserver, but I've used most (all?) of the free Xservers for Windows over time. As background Windows is my preferred desktop environment for about the last ten years[1], but I do most of my "real work" on FreeBSD or Linux; having an Xserver on windows means I can do graphical work and have it mostly work. Utilitywise, I can do things like running an image viewer to see what pictures I have in a di…

What benefits do you see from running windows? I really see none as a software dev and os enthusiast. The only reason I kept windows so long was for a game that I stopped playing 2 years ago, and the only reason I have to use it now is because the company I currently work in has made us use it. WSL makes me embarrassed to show my work colleague how good linux/vim/tmux really is (but that might be because the laptop's 8gb is almost totally used up by invisible processes (whereas the wsl portion uses around 500mb!))

Re: X410 – X Server for Windows 10

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They are asking $50 for something that there are other open source solutions for. It would be interesting to find out how much of the original source code is the developers and how much is just repackaging of one of the multitude of open source X servers for Windows that are currently available. Originally thinking it was another open source project, I looked at the website to see if there were some features that wou…

They used to sell it for much cheaper - way back when I got it, I'm pretty sure it was under $10. If they raised it that much, surely that's a sign of demand? I have little doubt that it's a polished fork, but what ultimately matters is the value added - in this case, the value is, "it just works". The only thing I had to do manually was to configure DISPLAY=:0 system-wide in my WSL.

I mean, that's the only thing you have to do with VcXsrv..

Re: X410 – X Server for Windows 10

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They are asking $50 for something that there are other open source solutions for. It would be interesting to find out how much of the original source code is the developers and how much is just repackaging of one of the multitude of open source X servers for Windows that are currently available. Originally thinking it was another open source project, I looked at the website to see if there were some features that wou…

They used to sell it for much cheaper - way back when I got it, I'm pretty sure it was under $10. If they raised it that much, surely that's a sign of demand? I have little doubt that it's a polished fork, but what ultimately matters is the value added - in this case, the value is, "it just works". The only thing I had to do manually was to configure DISPLAY=:0 system-wide in my WSL.

Have you tried Cygwin's X server? I've been using it for many years already with no problems, and it's free (both as in beer and as in freedom).

Re: X410 – X Server for Windows 10

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post #38
post #25

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Sorry to break it to you, but there’s nothing immoral about repackaging open source software (even if there’s no value-add at all, which is not true in this case) and trying to make a living out of it, as long as it respects the license of the project being repackaged. On a more personal note, I checked out your profile and you don’t seem to be contributing to open source much, so maybe first try to bring us somethin…

I think you are mistaking legal obligations for morality. I believe what they are doing is probably fine. However, without properly stating their value-add, it may be misleading to users that do not understand there are also open source options with very similar functionality. I think I get the idea, but nonetheless. Legality and whatnot aside, I do believe there is a spirit of open source. Like, if everyone in the w…

> I do believe there is a spirit of open source. Like, if everyone in the world behaved the “worst” they could while fulfilling all legal obligations, nothing would be functional at all anywhere.

Yeah, tell me about it, did I fail to mention I actually write widely used open source software, as opposed to the original complainer whose profile indicates little open source activity?

> In that vein, I hope they do contribute upstream where it makes sense to, at the very minimum, like applicable bug fixes.

And where’s the evidence that they aren’t already doing so? Where’s even the evidence that X410 is repackaging? I don’t know either way, but gp just started trashing the software because they sell licenses for 50 bucks a pop, which is not evidence for anything.

Re: X410 – X Server for Windows 10

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They are asking $50 for something that there are other open source solutions for. It would be interesting to find out how much of the original source code is the developers and how much is just repackaging of one of the multitude of open source X servers for Windows that are currently available. Originally thinking it was another open source project, I looked at the website to see if there were some features that wou…

It's 80% discount for next 16 days in app store apprently

I've never seen it being sold at less than 75% off. "Limited Time Offer" you say, "technically illegal tactic" I read

Re: X410 – X Server for Windows 10

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post #42
post #38

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think you are mistaking legal obligations for morality. I believe what they are doing is probably fine. However, without properly stating their value-add, it may be misleading to users that do not understand there are also open source options with very similar functionality. I think I get the idea, but nonetheless. Legality and whatnot aside, I do believe there is a spirit of open source. Like, if everyone in the w…

> I do believe there is a spirit of open source. The only things defining open source and free software are the copyright hacks that are licenses such as GPL, MIT, BSD, etc. If someone wants their code to not be used a certain way, they can adapt their license it to avoid it.

It seems frowned upon to do so. The reasoning behind that it stops a lot large companies from using the code.

JSON's don't be evil comes to mind.

I personally don't feel like we should coddle their legal teams, but it is a good idea to be careful with any license modifications.

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