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What happens when a ccTLD is retired? Exploring the potential risks of .io

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Re: What happens when a ccTLD is retired? Exploring the potential risks of .io

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Post by AmericanChopper »

gowld wrote: post #59
AmericanChopper wrote: post #57

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I wouldn’t be so sure about that. The League of Nations failed, and then disbanded. The UN fails constantly, but has decided to simply become more irrelevant overtime rather than disbanding. I can’t see why a fresh world war would convince them to change tack.

The League of Nations was created by the winners of WWI and disbanded by the events of WWIIz exactly as parent wrote.

The League of Nations was disbanded because it was entirely ineffective at achieving what it had set out to do, as was evident from the outbreak of WWII. The UN had the same goals as the LoN, and has been equally ineffective at achieving them. It has failed to prevent a single war, it has failed to prevent a single genocide, it has failed to resolve a single territorial dispute, and has not had a single successful peacekeeping mission (and given the human rights abuse committed by UN peacekeepers, there’s a compelling case that the peacekeeping mission as a whole has caused more harm than good). Those are the primary reasons that both of those organisations were founded, not as a winners club of the previous world war. The argument for why the LoN was disbanded also applies to the UN, but to an even greater extent. The only difference being that the UN has chosen to continue existing, in a state of total irrelevance. Given the 75 year track record, I see no reason to believe that failing to prevent yet another war would somehow become the tipping point for this organisation.

Re: What happens when a ccTLD is retired? Exploring the potential risks of .io

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Post by [deleted] »

voldacar wrote: post #11

Does the current TLD system even make sense? There is a .amazon, a .google, a .cancerresearch, a .sex, a .rich (which costs thousands of dollars btw). Plenty of them such as .io and .tv are all completely untethered from their original meanings/purposes. At this point, a website is just a string with a '.' in it somewhere. Instead of having 1500+ discretely decided upon TLDs why not just let people just create their…

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Re: What happens when a ccTLD is retired? Exploring the potential risks of .io

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Post by tialaramex »

echelon wrote: post #55
searchableguy wrote: post #35

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.rich seems like a great idea to earn shit ton of money.

https://icannwiki.org/.rich There are only 99 registered domains, a few of which are probably owned by the registry itself. At $2,500/yr/domain, they're not exactly making bank. The cost to maintain all of this probably eats into the profit a bit.

I'd be surprised if it even pays for itself. Running a gTLD is not intended to be cheap. $1M pa is the ballpark I've seen quoted.

Lots of people had the idea that they'd get a million customers and so even at one dollar per customer they couldn't help but make money, the reality in a lot of cases was few customers and no route out.

A handful of general purpose gTLDs work, there's one quite popular in Russia for example, using Cyrillic characters instead of Latin, they have a broad base of paying customers.

Most of the rest are pure vanity and can be expected to have similar lifespan to a vanity .com domain. Some will be sold to speculators, some will be expensively dormant for years, many will be abandoned and forgotten.

Mostly gTLDs were/ are a way for ICANN to make a lot of money exploring stupid people's greed.

Re: What happens when a ccTLD is retired? Exploring the potential risks of .io

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Post by [deleted] »

axaxs wrote: post #43
jml7c5 wrote: post #8

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Aye, any attempt at retirement would quickly result in a new '.io' gTLD replacing the '.io' ccTLD. The more reasonable concern is not that the ccTLD is retired, but that registration rules and/or prices are changed.

The gtld program requires TLDs be at least 3 characters long.

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Post by lainga »

freehunter wrote: post #38
MivLives wrote: post #29

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This whole thing kinda makes me nervous for using a .in and not being from India.

Is India in danger of being made an ex-country like Yugoslavia?

More in general, is ccTLD selection a form of bet on the continued existence of a country? Can we sell TLD insurance? TLD swaps?

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Post by a1369209993 »

reaperducer wrote: post #26
jandrese wrote: post #18

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So much for the idea of the Internet breaking down political boundaries. I know it's been dead for a long time now, but there was a thought in the early days that it didn't matter where you where or who you are on the Internet, everybody has the same access and opportunities.

Why not both? Countries manage their country-specific domains, and global entities manage the rest. The second part is exactly what is happening now. We just need to get the first in line.

The second part doesn't work either; see .org currently. Tor (with .onion addresses) is the only extant DNS mechanism that technically works (and not well) and that's practically unusable for >99% of people.

Re: What happens when a ccTLD is retired? Exploring the potential risks of .io

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Post by Aloha »

AmericanChopper wrote: post #61
gowld wrote: post #59

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The League of Nations was created by the winners of WWI and disbanded by the events of WWIIz exactly as parent wrote.

The League of Nations was disbanded because it was entirely ineffective at achieving what it had set out to do, as was evident from the outbreak of WWII. The UN had the same goals as the LoN, and has been equally ineffective at achieving them. It has failed to prevent a single war, it has failed to prevent a single genocide, it has failed to resolve a single territorial dispute, and has not had a single successful pe…

The League of Nations failed because it was structurally somewhat broken, and the nations that championed its creation failed to use it to effectively wield power to prevent the next war (See Wilsons failure to get the treaty creating/joining the League ratified by the US Senate). The UN fixed the first part, and provided current trends continue, we continue to remember the lesson from the second part. While it is arguable that some sort of conflict was deigned to happen because of the inequities inherent to the Treat of Versailles, a worldwide war was not even the obvious conclusion from that.

Re: What happens when a ccTLD is retired? Exploring the potential risks of .io

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Post by str34ml1n3 »

edoceo wrote: post #23
voldacar wrote: post #11

Does the current TLD system even make sense? There is a .amazon, a .google, a .cancerresearch, a .sex, a .rich (which costs thousands of dollars btw). Plenty of them such as .io and .tv are all completely untethered from their original meanings/purposes. At this point, a website is just a string with a '.' in it somewhere. Instead of having 1500+ discretely decided upon TLDs why not just let people just create their…

Then https://www.opennic.org is for you! Welcome friend!

That's really cool, but none of the listed projects seem to work (e.g. grep.geek, post.uu, be.libre, opennic.chan...). Am I missing something? Do I have to do something special to access these domains?

Re: What happens when a ccTLD is retired? Exploring the potential risks of .io

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Post by AmericanChopper »

Aloha wrote: post #67
AmericanChopper wrote: post #61

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The League of Nations was disbanded because it was entirely ineffective at achieving what it had set out to do, as was evident from the outbreak of WWII. The UN had the same goals as the LoN, and has been equally ineffective at achieving them. It has failed to prevent a single war, it has failed to prevent a single genocide, it has failed to resolve a single territorial dispute, and has not had a single successful pe…

The League of Nations failed because it was structurally somewhat broken, and the nations that championed its creation failed to use it to effectively wield power to prevent the next war (See Wilsons failure to get the treaty creating/joining the League ratified by the US Senate). The UN fixed the first part, and provided current trends continue, we continue to remember the lesson from the second part. While it is ar…

The UN and the LoN have exactly the same set of fundamental problems. Neither of those organisations had the power to do anything at all. If they don’t have the power to enforce their decisions, then they’re useless, if they do have the power to enforce their decisions, then national sovereignty ceases to exist. Which is why the UN or any organisation that succeeds it will always be irrelevant. How exactly do you think war has occurred in the post WWII world? Only in one of two ways. Either the instigator doesn’t care what the UN thinks, so they start their war, or they have to be seen to care what the UN thinks, so they ask first, the UN says no, and they start their war anyway. The security council is supposedly a mechanism for checks and balances, but all it really does it make sure that somebody is going to have an interest in vetoing any significant decision. Further cementing it’s irrelevance. The UN has demonstrably failed to prevent even a single war or genocide since its inception, yet it continues to exist. On what basis do you think failing to prevent war is eventually going to lead to its demise? The primary function the UN serves is as a forum for its 193 member states to each pitch a soapbox. It has never been a place that countries rely on to resolve disputes. The only real existential threat it faces is if the tax payers in those 193 countries get sick of paying for it.
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