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What happens when a ccTLD is retired? Exploring the potential risks of .io

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Re: What happens when a ccTLD is retired? Exploring the potential risks of .io

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Post by reaperducer »

zozbot234 wrote: post #19
jml7c5 wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Aye, any attempt at retirement would quickly result in a new '.io' gTLD replacing the '.io' ccTLD. The more reasonable concern is not that the ccTLD is retired, but that registration rules and/or prices are changed.

I doubt that .io could become a gTLD, given the established practice of using ISO 3166 alpha-2 codes for country-specific domain names. A .io gTLD would be dependent on obtaining some sort of long-term reservation for IO in ISO 3166 and perhaps even in existing standards that extend it, and this is unlikely to be granted given how tight the alpha-2 encoding space is already.

They could just stop allowing new .io registrations until we begin colonizing Jupiter.

Re: What happens when a ccTLD is retired? Exploring the potential risks of .io

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Post by reaperducer »

jandrese wrote: post #17
chrononaut wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

For context .yu was the ccTLD for Yugoslavia, and .me is the ccTLD for Montenegro, which is one of the states formerly part of Yugoslavia before its dissolution.

How many .yu domains were registered when Yugoslavia broke up? Back in 1992 most people had never even heard of the Internet, especially in politically unstable third world countries. You could probably count the number of .yu domains registered on your hands.

By virtue of being a former Soviet satellite, .yu was second-world, not third-world.

Re: What happens when a ccTLD is retired? Exploring the potential risks of .io

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Post by edoceo »

voldacar wrote: post #11

Does the current TLD system even make sense? There is a .amazon, a .google, a .cancerresearch, a .sex, a .rich (which costs thousands of dollars btw). Plenty of them such as .io and .tv are all completely untethered from their original meanings/purposes. At this point, a website is just a string with a '.' in it somewhere. Instead of having 1500+ discretely decided upon TLDs why not just let people just create their…

Then https://www.opennic.org is for you! Welcome friend!

Re: What happens when a ccTLD is retired? Exploring the potential risks of .io

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Post by sherincall »

jandrese wrote: post #17
chrononaut wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

For context .yu was the ccTLD for Yugoslavia, and .me is the ccTLD for Montenegro, which is one of the states formerly part of Yugoslavia before its dissolution.

How many .yu domains were registered when Yugoslavia broke up? Back in 1992 most people had never even heard of the Internet, especially in politically unstable third world countries. You could probably count the number of .yu domains registered on your hands.

The "Federal Republic of Yugoslavia" (FRY) existed until 2003, when it was renamed to "Serbia and Montenegro", which split into separate countries of "Serbia" and "Montenegro" in 2006. "Serbia and Montenegro" was still using the .yu ccTLD until 2006.

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Post by dchest »

jandrese wrote: post #17
chrononaut wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

For context .yu was the ccTLD for Yugoslavia, and .me is the ccTLD for Montenegro, which is one of the states formerly part of Yugoslavia before its dissolution.

How many .yu domains were registered when Yugoslavia broke up? Back in 1992 most people had never even heard of the Internet, especially in politically unstable third world countries. You could probably count the number of .yu domains registered on your hands.

.yu was retired in 2010. Still seeing some old outdoor ads with it here in Montenegro.

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Post by reaperducer »

jandrese wrote: post #18
disiplus wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

the country should manage its own domain. every country has it own set of rules, and for me as a citizen of country i would not want it to be managed by another country where the thing im doing might be illegal but in my own is not. i agree there are not many reasons to not being able to buy a domain from another country but as is with telephone numbers in alot of countries u have to have some residence in a country…

So much for the idea of the Internet breaking down political boundaries. I know it's been dead for a long time now, but there was a thought in the early days that it didn't matter where you where or who you are on the Internet, everybody has the same access and opportunities.

Why not both?

Countries manage their country-specific domains, and global entities manage the rest. The second part is exactly what is happening now. We just need to get the first in line.

Re: What happens when a ccTLD is retired? Exploring the potential risks of .io

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Post by bluedevil2k »

edoceo wrote: post #23
voldacar wrote: post #11

Does the current TLD system even make sense? There is a .amazon, a .google, a .cancerresearch, a .sex, a .rich (which costs thousands of dollars btw). Plenty of them such as .io and .tv are all completely untethered from their original meanings/purposes. At this point, a website is just a string with a '.' in it somewhere. Instead of having 1500+ discretely decided upon TLDs why not just let people just create their…

Then https://www.opennic.org is for you! Welcome friend!

The .fur domain is ... interesting

Re: What happens when a ccTLD is retired? Exploring the potential risks of .io

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Post by FearNotDaniel »

samatman wrote: post #7
FearNotDaniel wrote: post #2

Let me get this straight... people whose businesses rely on the existence of the .io TLD are donating to a campaign group that wants the TLD's raison d'être to be abolished? Smart. I mean, consider a hypothetical. Let's say there's a whole swathe of businesses that have no connection to the American South, but for whatever hipster reasons occurred briefly in their subculture, all have brand logos that feature the con…

Actually, let's not consider that hypothetical. Let's consider the actual scenario, in which .io and the BIOT are thoroughly divorced in the minds of basically everyone. In that case, someone with a .io domain might well want to separate the two-letter string from its problematic origins. It's just two letters, after all, and this is the only context in which they are associated with the BIOT. I don't see a movement…

Well sure, while you're at it let's take .tv away from the Government of Tuvalu. It's just two letters right, nobody else associates it with that island nation either.

Funnily enough, the same legal reasoning that claims BIOT should not exist (dividing a colony before granting independence) could also be applied to Tuvalu if you wanted to argue that it has no legal right to be a separate state independent of Kiribati. The only difference is, Tuvalu's separation was in accord with the wishes of its indigenous people whereas the Chagos Islanders were shipped elsewhere. But then, nobody bothered asking the indigenous peoples of the USA how they felt about a new nation being founded on their land, and we all seem to tolerate the existence of that somewhat irritating country.

Re: What happens when a ccTLD is retired? Exploring the potential risks of .io

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Post by MivLives »

kspacewalk2 wrote: post #20
EwanToo wrote: post #6

I think the .su TLD shows what happens, i.e. not much https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/.su

.yu ccTLD shows what else can happen, i.e. domains of ex-countries can be killed off.

This whole thing kinda makes me nervous for using a .in and not being from India.

Re: What happens when a ccTLD is retired? Exploring the potential risks of .io

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Post by scythe »

blibble wrote: post #15

it's too strategic for the UK to want to give up and there's no mechanism to force it to do, so there's no particular reason to be worried that it will similarly the linked Guardian article makes a fuss about the UK's security council seat, which again, the UK will never give up, and again, there's no mechanism to remove it

More importantly, the whole reason that the UK owns the islands, and the reason it evicted the Chagossians, was because the United States wanted them to. The UK will not lose its place on the UNSC for doing the bidding of the US. The UK likewise will not give up its territory because they would much rather piss off the ICJ than the US. The islands are a UK colony only in name; they are a US colony in reality.

I feel bad for the Chagossians. I think they should be compensated much better and allowed to return home. But the relinquishment of Diego Garcia is not happening, and the argument that an archipelago over 2000 kilometers away is an "integral part" of Mauritius is clearly motivated reasoning.

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