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Vaccines are an absolutely revolutionary technology. That said, mixing profit with essential medical technology is a recipe for failure. The first way to make something more profitable is to cut costs. What corners do these corps cut to up their margins? And how does that decrease health outcomes for some percent of the population? The bottom-line is that no for-profit corp can be trusted with your health. Vaccines m…
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It also increases profit. You trust those B-schoolers and their hand-picked goal-seeking researchers to shade toward safety or profit? I am pro-vax (within a sensible schedule) and anti-for-profit-corps, who NEVER EVER give a shit about your health, only that you can't prove that it was their product that harmed you.
And you trust one doctors opinion that causes you to spend more time in his clinic (make money).
I did, you should note, get told not to come back to a doctor's group -- after a single visit to establish a PCP -- for quote "asking too many questions".
My wife was with me and was confused because I was in no way belligerent. And, for sure, that doctor was a piece of work. She just wanted to go through her checklist and be done with it, and her attitude showed.
Vaccines are an absolutely revolutionary technology. That said, mixing profit with essential medical technology is a recipe for failure. The first way to make something more profitable is to cut costs. What corners do these corps cut to up their margins? And how does that decrease health outcomes for some percent of the population? The bottom-line is that no for-profit corp can be trusted with your health. Vaccines m…
There's something very wrong in your message, practically the same bias as the vaccine "denialists". First you establish your order of trust as: 1. Government 2. For-profit-corporations Then you acknowledge that your actual practisting order of trust is: 1. Your gut (why is "the entire schedule frankly insane"?) 2. European Governments 3. Your American Government The later ranking is not justified at all by your earl…
Why is varicella in the schedule? The plague upon our house that is chicken pox will hopefully be annihilated one day, only to reappear in a much more painful form later in life as shingles because you need a constant re-up of the varicella vaccine to keep it at bay. What the actual fuck is going on here and who controls the schedule?
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> Well, when a pediatrician recommends a delayed/modified vaccine schedule for pseudoscientific reasons, we call that doctor a quack. Why not provide a scientific argument instead of engaging in name-calling?
The burden on proof is on the one making claims against the scientific consensus. If they don't (they never do, or it never holds up), quack is 100% the right word.
Why, pray tell, are the US's vax schedules so heavy compared to Europe? Are all their doctors quacks are is our medical system bought-and-sold by B-schoolers?
I know the answer and I doubt you're willing to even entertain the truth much less accept it. But I'd love to be wrong about that.
My wife's son is a doctor. He said he wouldn't go to 80% of his fellow med school graduates for care. Being good at memorizing does not make one a good doctor, even though it's essential.
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> Forcing someone else to take a vaccine, if they don't want to, or forcing someone else NOT to take a vaccine, if they do "Making somebody pay taxes, if they don't want..." Dude, this has been discussed ad infinitum. You don't want to take a vaccine? Fine. But then, do I have the knowledge to know you haven't taken it, as refusing to be around you, etc etc etc because you refuse to do something that is proven to bet…
OK, let's understand a few things. First, I am self-quarantining, even though I do not have CoronaVirus. I wish for no harm to you, or to my fellow man. Second, I am a philosopher. After deep introspection, I have realized that even though, from my limited human perspective, it would be nice for large segments of the population to do certain things, and not do other things, it's not my place in the universe to force…
First of all, "healthy people do not get diseases" is just flat out wrong, I don't know how you could support such a claim.
Second, do you accept the inevitability of death in all things, meaning you take zero precautions to protect your own life in any and all situations of your life? You never wear a seatbelt, never go to a doctor, wouldn't stay clear of a person if you knew they had a very contagious disease, ...? If yes, I would be very surprised about your stoicism; otherwise it seems inconsistent.
Lastly, do you really believe no person should ever be forced to do anything? So, for example, a mother should not be forced to feed her child, or people should not be prevented from murdering other people? If not, your argument that unlimited freedom is the most important value to preserve falls flat and we must start talking about the situations in which you would restrict someone's freedom.
(I won't even go into how I think this notion of "freedom" is very simplistic because it ignores how un-free we are fundamentally due to situations outside of our control, e.g. very poor people are de facto not very free.)
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Most people are fascists at heart, more than willing to control your body over their own fears and stupidities. We each get to choose what to do with our bodies so long as we are not intentionally causing harm to others. Most people won't accept this, thus we shall both be downvoted to oblivion by the ignorant and oppressive.
Not vaccinating does potentially cause harm to others through infection, and someone unvaccinated can only fully prevent such harm by completely avoiding any contact with humans they are not living with; furthermore, such harm cannot be reliably attributed to the perpetrator, so punishment is hard. Hence, it is reasonable to outlaw being unvaccinated and going out of the house.
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Because your whole argument is an example of an "argument to moderation" fallacy[1] that is only valid as long as there is some evidence that points to the fact that the majority medical opinion on vaccines is wrong (and of course, the majority opinion is not "everyone should get every vaccine there is all the time"). I mean, I get the point that name-calling doesn't help, but we can't just accept statements that con…
> Because your whole argument is an example of an "argument to moderation" fallacy[1] that is only valid as long as there is some evidence that points to the fact that the majority medical opinion on vaccines is wrong (and of course, the majority opinion is not "everyone should get every vaccine there is all the time"). > I mean, I get the point that name-calling doesn't help, but we can't just accept statements that…
I mean, for every fringe position you can find some crank that "supports" it with some badly designed study, but strong claims (e.g. contradicting majority scientific opinion) require strong evidence not just "there are studies" (without pointing to any such study; how should one even refute this?).
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Most people are fascists at heart, more than willing to control your body over their own fears and stupidities. We each get to choose what to do with our bodies so long as we are not intentionally causing harm to others. Most people won't accept this, thus we shall both be downvoted to oblivion by the ignorant and oppressive.
Not vaccinating does potentially cause harm to others through infection, and someone unvaccinated can only fully prevent such harm by completely avoiding any contact with humans they are not living with; furthermore, such harm cannot be reliably attributed to the perpetrator, so punishment is hard. Hence, it is reasonable to outlaw being unvaccinated and going out of the house.
Yes, fascists have logic, it's just predicated upon poor foundations.
So long as the person does not intentionally go out WHILE BEING CONTAGIOUS they have done no harm.
Look at what fear of the black man has done to stoke their oppression by fearful white morons.
Insane fears are a significant cause of a great deal of fascism.
Have hope, tho, you can quit that club, though it may not be easy.
Often overlooked in commentary on anti-vaxxers, and by the anti-vaxxers themselves, is this: Freeloading The anti-vaxxers are freeloading on the herd immunity created and maintained by the smart people. That herd immunity prevents the regular epidemics & pandemics common before vaccines, when families often had 10 children to see a few survive to adulthood. There is plenty deliberate ignorance of history, Dunning-Kru…
Like Scarlet fever?
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There's something very wrong in your message, practically the same bias as the vaccine "denialists". First you establish your order of trust as: 1. Government 2. For-profit-corporations Then you acknowledge that your actual practisting order of trust is: 1. Your gut (why is "the entire schedule frankly insane"?) 2. European Governments 3. Your American Government The later ranking is not justified at all by your earl…
I'm in the same boat as OP. The entire childhood vaccination schedule is insane because it lacks longitudinal studies demonstrating effectiveness and safety. Why is varicella in the schedule? The plague upon our house that is chicken pox will hopefully be annihilated one day, only to reappear in a much more painful form later in life as shingles because you need a constant re-up of the varicella vaccine to keep it at…