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Trello handed over my personal account to my previous company

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Re: Trello handed over my personal account to my previous company

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I hear stories like this all the time - I'm all for "cloud" in certain areas, but, there are an increasing amount of companies that either don't care or have short sighted policies.

I really think the future needs to look more at "master" accounts with Azure/AWS and similar services, make it much easier to delegate access to third parties so that the third party contains the core logic/application but the data resides fully with your own account.

Data ownership is so important and overlooked by so many people who want an easy life and want to forget physical servers to look after.

Re: Trello handed over my personal account to my previous company

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A lot of people seem to develop a strange sense of loyalty to services they like (and haven't been stung by, obviously). Try suggesting that you can run a software business without using GitHub as your single point of failure^W^W^W^Wsource control system, and a lot of young developers will just laugh and wonder what you've been smoking. Try challenging Apple's walled garden philosophy and suggesting that their mobile…

> Try suggesting that you can run a software business without using GitHub as your single point of failure^W^W^W^Wsource control system, and a lot of young developers will just laugh and wonder what you've been smoking. To be fair, this example isn't quite as bad. It's simple enough to add a new remote to your working copies and host your repo elsewhere. It doesn't help with GitHub-specific features like comments or…

Usually complaints like this have more to do with the social processes around coding than the actual task of storing and versioning source code (which as you say is portable and standard).

"I want to make a change to a shared library. Why can't I make a pull request?" "Wait, I have to use this unfamiliar interface to make comments on other people's changes and I can't leave comments on specific lines?" "You know, if you used Jenkins and Github then you could show the status of passing or failing tests right here on the code review screen..."

These social pressures are really quite strong. They affect a bunch of open source projects especially: people who want to make changes expect code to be on Github and might even mirror it there themselves (creating confusing situations for anyone trying to contribute). Even if the project does host its code on Github to allow for contributions from Github users, Github is (naturally) not very good about directing its users off of its platform to where the existing discussion and development is going on. "It's easier if you just do everything on Github" says Github, and their users by and large agree, and slowly more and more process (code review, merging patches, CI, documentation) gets sucked onto Github by the platform effect.

Re: Trello handed over my personal account to my previous company

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Curious how this isn't Atlassians fault. Can you elaborate?

User should have removed work account from valuable personal account immediately after leaving job.

Sure. But he forgot. That's not a reason to give the company, with which he is no longer affiliated and to whose boards he hasn't had access for years, ownership of his personal account and all its boards.

Re: Trello handed over my personal account to my previous company

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I am the user in this case. I understand Atlassian's position in this case but this is so hard to track over such a long period of time. I left this workplace almost 5 years back and the account worked fine. Then it suddenly stopped working without any notification from their side.

> this is so hard to track over such a long period of time. But you created the problem in the first place by adding your work email to an account that had your personal boards in it. By doing that you gave your employer a means of controlling that account. You basically planted a time bomb that could go off at some unpredictable time in the future. And it went off.

Your reasoning feels truly bizarre. He added that work email as a SECONDARY mail. As soon as it stopped working, he could no longer access the boards associated with that particular mail, only his personal ones that were NOT associated with it. His personal boards continued NOT being associated with that work email for years afterwards, and he never in any way indicated, asked for, or allowed that they should be.

HE didn't “plant a time bomb”; Atlassian ripped him off, plain and simple.

(Oh, sure, you could argue that he “planted a time bomb” by giving Atlassian the means — that email address — to rip him off... But please don't. That would be like arguing that a rape victim “planted a time bomb” be dressing too provocatively.)

Re: Trello handed over my personal account to my previous company

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GitHub did this to me a few years ago. I still feel violated. Not by my idiot former employer. I feel violated by GitHub. I got my account back. Sort of. They detached a significant amount of my content from my account, and returned to me a gimpy lobotomized version of myself. All my old GitHub comments are credited to “ghost” now. I was somewhere in the first 12,000 GitHub accounts. My relationship with GitHub signi…

I feel moved to strictly only use fake names online. Like.. I recently moaned and whined to my friend about how when i was growing up a person/entity (to my recollection) would feel.. like they received a magical gift just to send a message online.. having a web page was like.. winning the nerd superbowl.. Now it's like.. we are supposed to take a knee to any company that gets sufficient presence and significance (li…

> I feel moved to strictly only use fake names online.

Isn't this how usernames started?

Re: Trello handed over my personal account to my previous company

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So I just clicked on that link with a private browsing window and I'm logged in as someone else in my org's account. Someone I've never met, talked to or been in the same room as. They live on the other side of the world. I suspect some sort of IP-based cache has stored their cookie or a set auth-header. Very creepy, Atlassian.

Sounds more like a MITM https proxy at your org.

No additional root certs installed on this device. Checked the keychain, it's OK.

Re: Trello handed over my personal account to my previous company

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I created a Trello alternative, check it out at https://www.kanrails.com Would love to get feedback!

First piece of feedback, don't suggest somebody use a work email and company name on a Trello alternative right after this debacle happened.

Thanks for the feedback. I will consider removing it. KanRails wants to be a B2B tool, not another Trello. It was just a recommendation.

Re: Trello handed over my personal account to my previous company

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I created a Trello alternative, check it out at https://www.kanrails.com Would love to get feedback!

From the signup page >Work email is recommended. Yea...so how does this solve OP's problem. Also desperation for sales leads eh?

Thanks for the comment. You can put in your personal email and it would work just fine.

Re: Trello handed over my personal account to my previous company

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Last time I used Trello they had a relatively extensive concept of organizations and board ownership, while they might not have an idea about which email is the fictitious canonical owner of the account this still falls on Atlassian. They created this system that allowed AcmeCorp to change a setting and subsequently lock an ex employee out of non-organisation data. They know which of this accounts content is related…

> they allow using a single identity for both private and corporate use cases at the same time. That's a use case their user facing interface actively encouraged. This seems to me to be the root of the problem, because to me this is obviously a bad idea and should be actively discouraged, if not prohibited altogether. If Atlassian, or some predecessor owner of Trello, did actively encourage this, then I agree they be…

I guess that's one of those decisions that made sense at the time. iirc the organisation part was an afterthought after people started using it for these use cases, they now seem to have account switching in their app that would cater to the more modern use case.

In theory I actually prefer this data model, one identity (because that's the physical reality) and a sane perspective model on who owns what data this identity has access to. But sadly nobody seems to have time to get that right in a mixed B2C/B2B product.

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> separate Chrome profiles or Firefox profiles, so that none of the cookies are shared. You don't need separate Firefox profiles for that, you can use Firefox containers.

> You don't need separate Firefox profiles for that, you can use Firefox containers. Firefox Containers are awful. Only firefox profiles can give you true separation. It would have been better if Mozilla had added a better interface to profiles.

> Firefox Containers are awful

Do you have any sources or reasons for this condemnation?

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