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Re: GitHub is now free for teams

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Post by rexpop »

DennisAleynikov wrote: post #399
kfrzcode wrote: post #392

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Don't need to be the CEO of GitHub to answer that question. Why? Because money.

more importantly why not? github is not doing anything special to make ICE worse. the reasoning of divestment from disagreeable organizations is an individual right, but does not make sense to be adopted as a company policy to not work with LEO's. being politically minded at a company is fine, but trying to shame companies into adopting your ideals is unrealistic and counterproductive for neutral tools like Github

> neutral tools like Github – DennisAleynikov

> “You can’t be neutral on a moving train,” I would tell them. Some were baffled by the metaphor, especially if they took it literally and tried to dissect its meaning. Others immediately saw what I meant: that events are already moving in certain deadly directions, and to be neutral means to accept that. ― Howard Zinn

Re: GitHub is now free for teams

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Post by yellowapple »

pc86 wrote: post #601
yellowapple wrote: post #546

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> It gives enforcement actors a little lee-way that they wouldn't otherwise have. Which can be and often is subject to abuse.

One of the worst things about engineers in general and HN specifically is we all pretend that law is executed like code, in a vacuum, idempotently based on the inputs. That's was, is, and will never be the case. Abuse can be exposed and punished, and very often is.

> Abuse can be exposed and punished, and very often is.

But nowhere near often enough.

Re: GitHub is now free for teams

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Post by crispinb »

rexpop wrote: post #629
crispinb wrote: post #394

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Not compartmentalising is trickier than you imply, as the whole corporate-capitalist system of power (which supplies nearly all of your and my goods) depends at its root on current exploitation and drawing down on its investment in future destruction (of the entire biosphere). We can point fingers at many hideous individual corporate citizens in tech (Dropbox & Amazon spring immediately to mind, current Microsoft doe…

> hideous individual corporate citizens I agree with you, that pointing fingers like is useless. We very quickly run out of fingers. > I'm for revolution to take it all down. I wonder what you mean by that.

> I wonder what you mean by that

I'm not entirely sure. If I had a recipe I'd probably be a leader somewhere rather than an anonymous sometime programmer in deepest Northern NSW!

One of the few things I'm pretty certain of though is that the capitalist-corporate system is a road to worldwide destruction. And that there are no diversions within the system, no reforms that can do anything other than alter the speed of the decline. It all has to go, by whatever means necessary. Though I'm open to the possibility that the course is a biological given, and capitalist-corporatism is merely a consequence of that biology. In which case, we're done.

Re: GitHub is now free for teams

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Post by K0SM0S »

frosted-flakes wrote: post #602
K0SM0S wrote: post #207

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The real question is whether corporations behave like "someone", like a natural (biological, real flesh-and-blood) person. Whereas there is a need for legal corporate personhood (so they can enter contracts, be sued and sue others, etc), the extent to which a corporation has a "personality" is very much debatable— sign contracts, sure; but fund political candidates? Have a political opinion even? That's crossing a bi…

> Whatever greatness or horrors we observe from corporations should be attributed directly to the natural people who make those decisions— it's not Boeing that's bad, it's whoever's in charge and whoever condoned it. People. Boeing is just a 6-letter words, you can't put "Boeing" in jail, nor make it "Sir" by a Queen... I think it's interesting how British English pluralises companies and groups in general, in recogn…

Indeed... I never thought of it this way. Very telling.

Re: GitHub is now free for teams

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Post by tw04 »

sebst wrote: post #475
JohnBooty wrote: post #435

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Yes, I would definitely hate to trust Microsoft with my enterprise software build pipeline because of how they refused to support Microsoft Bob.

Well, probably not because of Bob, but their cloud based offerings have make me wonder about trust. - Business Contact Manager for Outlook, Outlook Customer Manager - Microsoft Invoicing, Listings etc. And these are critical applications for a company. Have a look at Sharepoint which is widely used and has an uncertain future. Or the strategy behind Lync, Skype and now teams. But we'll see. Microsoft has shifted in a…

Business Contact manager is still fully supported - it's just not supported on the latest version of outlook. On Outlook 2010 you've got support through the end of 2020. For Outlook 2013 they haven't announced an end-of-support date yet.

Microsoft Invoice has transitioned to a cloud-based product, so again, they didn't end support. You might not like the new purchasing model, but that's very much different than them burning the product to the ground.

https://einvoice.microsoft.com/Default.aspx?MSIStateKey=f513...

Sharepoint is the backend for onedrive for business, and fully integrated in to Teams. What on earth would make you think it's going away?

Re: GitHub is now free for teams

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Post by james_s_tayler »

tommica wrote: post #591
james_s_tayler wrote: post #582

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Sometimes my wife wants an explanation from me the human being who said he would take the trash out but then never did.

Then maybe you should own up to the consequences of the choice you made and explain your reasoning for not fulfilling the promise that you made.

I did. I was playing Factorio and all of a sudden it was 3am.

Re: GitHub is now free for teams

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Post by filoleg »

Gibbon1 wrote: post #390
DennisAleynikov wrote: post #387

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terrible question and off topic get political complaints out of here, github is a programming tool. doesn't matter if police use the same non lethal tools as normal citizens.

You know what the Greeks would have thought about someone that doesn't care about politics? They'd think their best station in life would to be a slave.

Having common sense to not shitpost about politics in every unrelated thread is not the same as not caring about politics.

Re: GitHub is now free for teams

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Post by eric_cc »

ss3000 wrote: post #563
meritt wrote: post #562

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Microsoft owns Github. Microsoft owns VS Code. VS Code is superior to Atom. Do you need an official comment? It seems abundantly obvious to me. Nat is the CEO of GitHub, not Microsoft, and despite any promises made on a Reddit AMA a year ago, why would they devote resources to two competing editors?

All I really want is to hear an explanation from Nat Friedman, CEO of GitHub, the human being, who said he wouldn't pull resources away from Atom development and then evidently did so soon after, to end all this needless speculation once and for all (and what you've suggested in your comment is still speculation, however plausible it might seem to you). It offers very little solace to the few Atom users still hanging…

> It offers very little solace to the few Atom users still hanging on

This is kind of hilarious. What are you hanging on for? It's damn editor. Pick a new one and move on.

Re: GitHub is now free for teams

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Post by dflock »

pknopf wrote: post #537
dflock wrote: post #274

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Microsoft have already stopped development of Atom, sadly.

Source?

They haven't had the balls to say anything publicly, but just go look at the commit graphs in the Atom repos. Here's a summary:

https://twitter.com/DuncanLock/status/1177747512905461760

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