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> On a per capita basis sweden isn't really more worse off than many other countries that have shutdown. This is so untrue. Norway and Denmark had initially many more cases then Sweden but since their curves flattened. As of yesterday Norway - 26 deaths / milion Sweden - 102 deaths / million Denmark - 52 deaths / milion

But there is also "Beglium - 359 deaths / million" which had early lockdowns. They started their lockdown one day before Denmark. By cherry picking countries one can chose a story to tell. I think it is too early to say if Sweden's strategy was stupid or not.

I guess Denmark and Norway as both Nordic countries with similiar wealth and culture are as similar to Sweden as possible.

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> - Dense city? Quarantine. - Moderately dense? High risk individuals quarantine, everyone else social distances, but works. - etc. Across the board, if your business is the sort that can WFH (such as software companies), then you do work from home. If not, then you're open, but with precautions. Restaurants are open, but pickup only, etc. How is this _that_ much different from what's being done now?

Well for example there's lots of non-essential business that can operate while enforcing social distancing. Closing bars and restaurants makes sense. But closing stores were you walk in and walk out does not make sense. Banning fishing doesn't make sense. Very broad strokes have been used to lock stuff down.

It could depend on the store.

Over here in The Netherlands, most supermarkets have, to various degrees, implemented measures to protect workers (plexiglass, timed restocking, etc.) and measures to encourage social distancing (reminders and lines on the floors, a maximum number of customers via a set number of carts and having an employee wipe down the carts and handing them out manually at the entrance, old-people-hour in the morning, etc.).

The psychology behind this is fascinating. It's not just the measures that help, but the fact that simply being handed a cart after passing through the turnstile puts me (and I suspect everyone else) in 'awareness' mode. I've noticed that I myself generally pay more attention to not hover around employees, and take a detour via a quiet aisle whenever I can.

This stands in contrast to all the non-supermarket stores I occasionally visit. aisles are narrower, they don't have a designated entrance-employee, and at best there's some A4 glued somewhere asking me to pay by card if I can. Not only is it more difficult to practice 'social distancing', I don't notice a similar change in 'mindset' and have caught myself more than once leaning over an employee or passing close by other shoppers. And interestingly, both myself and said shopper seemed to notice this less (in the supermarket I've noticed many more older customers wait intentionally for me to pass at an appropriate distance).

And that's not even considering weird situations like our local HEMA (a very popular convenience store) implementing a bunch of measures, but then if you want to go and pay for your stuff you have to pick up an unclean scanner gun for the self-checkout, essentially undoing any measures they implemented. Out of curiosity I stuck around to see if these 'guns' are cleaned. They're not.

I guess my point is that stores are trying to implement sensible measures but so far it's mostly been supermarkets that seem to do a decent job (even if there's quite a bit of variation between stores from even the same company). I imagine it's much easier for these chain-stores to both get expert advice /and/ implement measures nation-wide. For those who have serious concerns it's a good reason to avoid 'mom and pop' stores though.

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I run a website that is monetized via Adsense and I do not see a negative impact of the Corona pandemic. What makes the situation so much different for the L.A. Times then for a website?

Could the LA Times run on your Adsense revenue?

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I’m definitely in the camp that “the cure cannot be worse than the disease” itself. Sitting in California where there are so few cases makes me wonder if the economic toll is totally worth it. Seems like we’ve used a tsunami to put out a campfire.

You can start worrying about that when the economic impact caused by the restrictions kills more people than the virus would without the restrictions. Sure, unemployment can worsen mental health and cause suicide indirectly, but those numbers must be nothing compared to the deaths would be caused by the virus without the restrictions.

This is relatively true, but it is also completely missing the point. Iperrationalism is not a substitute for ethics. In particular I see no reason why a headcount should be an obviously correct solution to the trolley problem.

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> there are so few cases in California because of the measures that have been taken This is probably true, but other countries haven't locked down hard and aren't seeing a big spread. Our options aren't binary. It's not as if the only choice is "Nuke everything" or "Surrender". The US is not a very densely populated country, and density seems to have the biggest impact on the spread of this thing. We probably could d…

> other countries haven't locked down hard and aren't seeing a big spread Let’s be precise. Some other countries haven’t locked down hard and aren’t seeing a big spread yet . You mentioned Sweden. Here was Time a few days ago: > A head doctor at a major hospital in Sweden says the current approach will “probably end in a historical massacre.” He says healthcare workers at his hospital who have tested positive for the…

Anders Tegnell - author of Swedish strategy says that the measures are working and deaths are concentrated in Somali, Iraqi and Syria - born population.

https://www.expressen.se/nyheter/coronaviruset/folkhalsomynd...

https://www.aftonbladet.se/nyheter/a/2Gx0Ev/fodda-i-somalia-...

Country of birth Number of cases Over-representation

Somalia 283 7

Turkiet 150 5,1

Irak 242 2,9

Finland 188 2,3

Eritrea 55 2,1

Syrien 197 1,8

Iran 83 1,8

Forna Jugoslavien 60 1,6

So pehaps this is what's been planned after all. Remember that Swedish eugenics laws lapsed only in 1976.

https://www.economist.com/europe/1997/08/28/here-of-all-plac...

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It seems pretty clear to me that California has so few cases precisely because of the measures it has taken.

The economic toll of shelter in place vs enforced social distancing + mask wearing while keeping most businesses open is huge though. I’m not convinced quarantine is/was necessary for most of the country, including California.

The question will be what will happen in 4-5 months. If California manages a total lockdown and by July-August is back to being normally operative then the lockdown was a good choice.

On the other extreme case there might be so few cases that there will be zero herd immunity in September and a second even worse lockdown might be needed again.

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I run a website that is monetized via Adsense and I do not see a negative impact of the Corona pandemic. What makes the situation so much different for the L.A. Times then for a website?

Could the LA Times run on your Adsense revenue?

This must be a misunderstanding. Let me rephrase my question:

Why did the LA Times revenue get "nearly eliminated" while I don't see a change at all?

The ads I see on my website seem to advertise all kinds of random stuff, so it is not like I am targeting a specific niche.

Maybe some other HN users with websites that feature ads can chime in and tell their experience?

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I wonder why nobody pays for newspapers, yet podcasts and talk radio shows pull in millions of dollars annually.

Podcasts and talk radio are mostly emotional porn.

That's a rotting whale carcass of a metaphor.

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