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Trump Halts U.S. Funding of World Health Organization

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Re: Trump Halts U.S. Funding of World Health Organization

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In some other countries they do, especially in Europe.

I'm a little suspicious when the real experts don't wear masks, and the internet experts berate you over the head for not wearing one.

Maybe that's because in front of the media some experts consider to uncover their face as a worthwhile risk, in order to reach to people understanding more easily.

That's not all experts, though, many of them still wear their mask in front of the camera.

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Could this not have waited a few months? In the middle of an pandemic, to cut off funding to the only organization that is coordinating the global response is just crazy. The pettiness of this administration seems to know no bounds. Even if we accept that WHO screwed up in their early response and yeah they could be critical of China, cutting funding is wildly disproportionate reaction. China will offcourse make up t…

it is coming from an administration that lies with nearly every word, and they aren't even constructed lies. they are lies equivalent to what you make up on the spot when you forget your proverbial homework. it really isn't surprising. this administration commits treason on a daily basis, as they repeatedly throw the entire country under the bus for their own gain. it is truly sickening.

It is also throwing the entire planet under the bus... Denial of the global warming emergency should be accountable before the justice -- and probably even the International Criminal Court, if only they had ratified the Rome Statute -- in the near future.

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If you want to make changes in the WHO fine, you contribute a major share if it’s funding, you should get a commensurate say, but de-funding right now at the height of the crisis is ludicrously reckless and irresponsible. Are you really going to argue this move right now is in the best interests of the USA and the world? From a life long Conservative voter here in the UK, this is serious. Get a grip. I never thought…

Why is it reckless? The WHO has arguably made the problem worse. Wouldn’t you want to defund any organization that makes a problem worse?

The WHO did not make the problem worse, because their statement just said that no human-human link was found yet, but that of course did not prevent scientists from launching new studies or continuing current studies to fill this gap. From a scientist perspective, to the contrary, stating the absence of knowledge would provoke the need for more studies.

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The WHO is a joke. What they did these last months should be the last nail in the coffin. More like a health organization they act like a political one taking sides with China and ignoring/censoring Taiwan even if they managed to control de spread of the virus.[1][2] And if that wasn't enough, they actively insisted that all the measures we're taking now were pointless. Why would anyone want a health organization tha…

Ya well maybe shutdown the CDC too huh?

This is all bullshit that Trump (and his self certified visionary crew) want people to focus on, so no one really asks what useful outcomes have the Whitehouse actually produced over the last 4 years? I cant see one thing.

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This was long overdue. > It is an open secret among international diplomats and public health experts that WHO is “not fit for mission” (as one of them put it to me), riddled with politics and bureaucracy. Given its previous failures and the warning that was Sars, its leadership has no excuse for reacting so oddly, and so tardily, to the current crisis. http://www.rationaloptimist.com/blog/who-must-answer/

> This was long overdue. Perhaps. However, Trump's using the WHO as scapegoat for his grievous mishandling of the situation - starting in 2018 - is beyond unscrupulous.

What are you talking about? The US is at the top of the handling of the crisis. You could definitely critique Trump and the fact he can't keep from saying some of the most ridiculous and petty things, but even Gavin Newsom has complimented the way this has been handled. If you only ever look at top headlines, you'll believe the world is about to end and Trump is responsible.

Also, how is Trump responsible for Italy and Spain? Or are you so xenophobic that you believe that only the US could possibly have handled this for them? Italy and Spain listened to the WHO and they suffered and continue to suffer because of it. Trump didn't completely listen to the WHO and saved lives. Now, maybe he should have closed things down earlier and followed the Taiwan and South Korea models, but those countries did well because they didn't listen to the WHO and knew China was lying because of the last flu outbreak.

Do I think Trump is doing A+ work, no, but I can see that the US is doing much better than many other countries. And when you say that Trump is doing a bad job, you do realize that there are teams of people working on this. So you are saying that everyone who's working on this crisis is mishandling everything? If it's only Trump, what do you think he did wrong? You might say he downplayed the pandemic, but everyone did. And if you think that, what should he have said? It's easy to use hindsight and say people did these things wrong. I think everyone is doing the best they can.

I'm really tired of seeing this criticism with no evidence and with other countries that clearly did a worse job. I don't think it's fair to blame the leaders of those other countries either, when it's pretty clear that China and the WHO deserve a lot of the blame.

The WHO is not a scapegoat, they are directly responsible for thousands of deaths, and untold suffering. They may have done it because of their close ties to China, and they may have believed what they were saying, but at this point would you trust anything they say?

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It's only "better than nothing at all" if you assume that any action it could take is better than doing nothing. That doesn't seem to have been true recently to me. Was https://twitter.com/WHO/status/1217043229427761152?s=19 better than nothing?

WHO advised the world to perform as many tests as possible. And that was an excellent advice, only it was ignored and not taken seriously. That's an example where the WHO is not the problem but its enforcement capability (just the same problem with UN decisions on war zones, which can never be enforced). To solve that, a reform is needed. But absolutely not by cutting its funds, which is silly.

This doesn't sound like a good advice. It's not actionable. We don't have enough capacity to test more. If we could test a billion people tomorrow, we would already do it.

My fav useless tweet from WHO is "there's no evidence human human transmission". I mean, if you don't know for sure, then let's not announce it.

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Quite surprised to see how many comments here agree with the decision.

It is quite clear that the WHO have to placate the CCP in order to avoid China withdrawing it's cooperation in its entirety. Yes, China has not been fully transparent, but it has been a significant improvement from SARS in 2003.

It seems many people here have bought into the reactionary blame game and failed to consider the diplomacy requirements of a group who need to cooperate with as many countries as possible to be effective.

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So their wrongdoing was to tweet their current status? Yes easily misinterpreted short-phrased tweets are bad. Thanks to US president, we learned that.

I don't think they did anything necessarily wrong with that tweet. Just that it wasn't substantial.

It was leading people to think that human transmission was unlikely.

The equivalent yet still factually correct statement is "covid maybe transmits between humans". When you add uncertainty to a statement, it becomes factually correct.

In this case, doing nothing would have been better.

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