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Trump Halts U.S. Funding of World Health Organization

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Re: Trump Halts U.S. Funding of World Health Organization

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Post by henearkr »

0xy wrote: post #17
draw_down wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I lack a lot of context here, but I recently saw a tweet of theirs from January. It was jarring to see how much they uncritically went along with China’s narrative about the virus. I understand a lot about the situation is unprecedented and especially in early weeks there was a lot of confusion and a lot of unknowns. But hopefully this at least will spur them to act more cautiously in regard to info from China.

I don't think their behavior is redeemable, given they continue to lie. After all, the WHO Director-General claimed within the last week without a shred of evidence that he was subject to racist and derogatory attacks from Taiwan's leaders. This is after WHO threw Taiwan under the bus and denied them access to critical health information on the express orders from China. The entire organization is corrupt. Blindly re…

By "their recommandations", you are alluding to when they said that travel bans on China where ineffective (that's true, only complete border closure is effective), and to when they said there was no proof of human-human transmission (that was true when they said it, nobody knew yet, except some Chinese scientists prevented from speaking by their government).

I see a lot of these deformed affirmations...

Re: Trump Halts U.S. Funding of World Health Organization

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Post by _tik_ »

henearkr wrote: post #29
Darmody wrote: post #7

The WHO is a joke. What they did these last months should be the last nail in the coffin. More like a health organization they act like a political one taking sides with China and ignoring/censoring Taiwan even if they managed to control de spread of the virus.[1][2] And if that wasn't enough, they actively insisted that all the measures we're taking now were pointless. Why would anyone want a health organization tha…

Given the weight of US in UNO, why would they want to stop their funding, instead of pushing for a reform of WHO? Of course everybody benefits from the existence of an organ like WHO, the only problems would be the number and quality of its experts network and labs. And to reform that, that's in the opposite direction of stopping funds...

It is not about to solve the problem but to gain political point. Pointing finger as hard as to avoid accountability. Chinese virus, virus will bring job to US, left wing nasty media, nasty democrat, Europe treat US bad etc etc

Re: Trump Halts U.S. Funding of World Health Organization

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Post by AlchemistCamp »

henearkr wrote: post #31
0xy wrote: post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't think their behavior is redeemable, given they continue to lie. After all, the WHO Director-General claimed within the last week without a shred of evidence that he was subject to racist and derogatory attacks from Taiwan's leaders. This is after WHO threw Taiwan under the bus and denied them access to critical health information on the express orders from China. The entire organization is corrupt. Blindly re…

By "their recommandations", you are alluding to when they said that travel bans on China where ineffective (that's true, only complete border closure is effective), and to when they said there was no proof of human-human transmission (that was true when they said it, nobody knew yet, except some Chinese scientists prevented from speaking by their government). I see a lot of these deformed affirmations...

Taiwan warned the WHO about human to human transmission on December 31st: https://www.taiwannews.com.tw/en/news/3904054

Re: Trump Halts U.S. Funding of World Health Organization

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Post by aeternum »

throwaway48472 wrote: post #13
0xy wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

As far as I was aware the US government issued a travel ban on China while the WHO was still wrongly claiming travel bans are ineffective. Source: https://www.technologyreview.com/2020/01/30/275959/the-china... "Tedros, as he is called, said the WHO does not recommend limiting either trade or travel to China at this time. “In fact, we oppose it,” he said. The health organization said it would question border closures…

Italy was one of the first countries to issue a travel ban on Chinese travelers. South Korea never issued a travel ban. In order for a travel ban to be effective, it has to be for all incoming travelers. Not just for a specific country.

>In order for a travel ban to be effective, it has to be for all incoming travelers. Not just for a specific country.

This is not true. A ban on a specific country cannot eliminate the risk but it can still slow the spread just like any mitigation.

Re: Trump Halts U.S. Funding of World Health Organization

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Post by sg47 »

conanbatt wrote: post #3
wazokazi wrote: post #2

Could this not have waited a few months? In the middle of an pandemic, to cut off funding to the only organization that is coordinating the global response is just crazy. The pettiness of this administration seems to know no bounds. Even if we accept that WHO screwed up in their early response and yeah they could be critical of China, cutting funding is wildly disproportionate reaction. China will offcourse make up t…

The WHO arguably made the pandemic worse by discouraging the use of masks, propagating information that turned out to be false and dangerous saying there was no human-to-human interaction and generally sided with china in the informational flow. Easier to ignore the WHO if you don't give them any money.

Not as dangerous as calling it a democratic hoax or that it'll go down to zero or like a miracle, it'll go away one day.

Re: Trump Halts U.S. Funding of World Health Organization

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Post by simonh »

Darmody wrote: post #7

The WHO is a joke. What they did these last months should be the last nail in the coffin. More like a health organization they act like a political one taking sides with China and ignoring/censoring Taiwan even if they managed to control de spread of the virus.[1][2] And if that wasn't enough, they actively insisted that all the measures we're taking now were pointless. Why would anyone want a health organization tha…

If you want to make changes in the WHO fine, you contribute a major share if it’s funding, you should get a commensurate say, but de-funding right now at the height of the crisis is ludicrously reckless and irresponsible. Are you really going to argue this move right now is in the best interests of the USA and the world?

From a life long Conservative voter here in the UK, this is serious. Get a grip. I never thought Trump was funny, but _nobody_ is laughing any more. US Republicanism needs to face up to the fact it took a badly wrong turn with this guy.

Re: Trump Halts U.S. Funding of World Health Organization

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Post by klipt »

henearkr wrote: post #26
craftinator wrote: post #24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Curious question: what does the WHO do with all of the funding it gets? It receives funding from many nations and individuals, in no small amount. If it doesn't have labs to do testing... What exactly does it do with that funding?

After searching on WHO site, it seems that they do surveys of each countries health system, and pushing them to develop steady healthcare systems, and to adapt their practices to available medical knowledge. The pushing of WHO to develop healthcare available including to the poorest may have been what Trump disliked, after all. The WHO seems to compensate partly for the absence of universal healthcare in the poorest…

> And of course the importance to have protected sex to fend off AIDS, etc. (which is an upstream battle given the religious and traditions resistance to many of these advises)

Like when the Republicans wasted billions of dollars promoting abstinence as the solution to AIDS:

https://www.npr.org/sections/goatsandsoda/2016/05/03/4766011...

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Post by Fjolsvith »

rasengan wrote: post #8
wazokazi wrote: post #2

Could this not have waited a few months? In the middle of an pandemic, to cut off funding to the only organization that is coordinating the global response is just crazy. The pettiness of this administration seems to know no bounds. Even if we accept that WHO screwed up in their early response and yeah they could be critical of China, cutting funding is wildly disproportionate reaction. China will offcourse make up t…

WHO is funded by Bill Gates [1]. [1] https://www.politico.eu/article/bill-gates-who-most-powerful...

Gates' father was a pal of Soros and Fauci.

https://www.trendsmap.com/twitter/tweet/1248480455826870282

Re: Trump Halts U.S. Funding of World Health Organization

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Post by Fjolsvith »

sg47 wrote: post #35
conanbatt wrote: post #3

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The WHO arguably made the pandemic worse by discouraging the use of masks, propagating information that turned out to be false and dangerous saying there was no human-to-human interaction and generally sided with china in the informational flow. Easier to ignore the WHO if you don't give them any money.

Not as dangerous as calling it a democratic hoax or that it'll go down to zero or like a miracle, it'll go away one day.

I don't think any people died from those things.
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