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Re: GitHub is now free for teams

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Post by crispinb »

DennisAleynikov wrote: post #434
crispinb wrote: post #396

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How far around your head do your political blinkers wrap? Would you be happy to write control programs for torture workstations?

whats stopping torture workstations from being managed with Kubernetes and Chef? you could use any modern orchestration tools to replace humans running torture machinery. code only serves to automate human behavior not create new behavior that isn't just amplifications of humanities worst desires.

Arguable but irrelevant. I'm arguing against your absurd universal and inhuman suggestion (nay, command!) to keep politics out of the discussion. On the particular topic at hand I think I'm somewhat in agreement with your conclusion (though I'd need to reflect more to be sure).

Re: GitHub is now free for teams

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Post by merb »

glenneroo wrote: post #369
tw04 wrote: post #343

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Google sure, but Microsoft? The company that kept the Zune service alive for 4 years after the product was EOL and with a userbase likely measured in the hundreds of thousands? https://www.wired.com/2015/09/what-to-do-with-your-zune-rip-... The company who STILL supports 16-bit apps? https://www.groovypost.com/howto/enable-16-bit-application-s... Ya... I would hardly say MS is known for killing stuff early - more lik…

Then again there is this list of 346 discontinued Microsoft products, some of which had very short lifespans: https://www.versionmuseum.com/history-of/discontinued-micros...

well a lot of things in the business section had a different production which could directly import the data from the old one or different migrate the data. like business server essetnial or dynamics marketing most often the new stuff was more expensive. Even skype for business online is upgradable. some stuff has less features, like hotmail which could use all custom domain names and not only godaddy ones like outlook.

Re: GitHub is now free for teams

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Post by anderspitman »

sneak wrote: post #400
anderspitman wrote: post #284

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I think it's worth pointing out that GH was always on this path, to the point where it's actually kind of hard to explain the difference between git and GitHub to fairly technical people. It's also worth pointing out that it doesn't have to come from malicious intentions.

It's tough to say that the urge to replace free software and open collaboration protocols with proprietary, closed source pay-to-play tools that the user isn't in control of (the whole GitHub SaaS model) isn't "malicious intentions". It's replacing an open, free (in both senses), decentralized system with a closed, for-profit, centralized one that expressly benefits a single organization at the expense of everyone el…

That's kind of my point: doing something to protect the best interests of your company isn't inherently malicious. Sure, altruism has benefits, but they're much harder to measure than the bottom line.

Also, FWIW I think we need to move away from GitHub.

Re: GitHub is now free for teams

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Post by merb »

m0xte wrote: post #386
kerng wrote: post #345

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That is true for Google, but certainly not for Microsoft. Microsoft's support for legacy software is pretty amazing actually.

It's terrible. AppFabric, WCF, WWF, windows phone. I could go on for hours...

WCF is still supported and a lot of stuff works on .net core 3.x and more is coming in 5.x. webforms on the other hand... (which should die a more faster death)

Re: GitHub is now free for teams

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Post by 3xblah »

Would it be fair to explain this move as a "user retention" tactic. Perhaps it becomes a more difficult decision for teams to close out their paid accounts, even amidst an economic downturn, when the fees are removed.

One could argue some MSFT acquisitions have been focused on acquiring large swaths of exisiting users moreso than acquiring revenue streams or work product. Github could have been one such acquisition.

Re: GitHub is now free for teams

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Post by geofft »

DennisAleynikov wrote: post #425
geofft wrote: post #415

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I mean, I'm open to discussing whether we should or shouldn't, but I think it's not an off-topic discussion!

pretty off topic to bring up customers of a lightbulb factory to shame them for selling headlamps to tanks...

All right, point taken - this is a politically incorrect discussion and we should be self-censoring ourselves.

Re: GitHub is now free for teams

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Post by jfkebwjsbx »

eastbayjake wrote: post #299
harha wrote: post #93

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could you elaborate further with use-cases?

As a business customer of a SaaS product, being able to revoke any employee's access to the SaaS tool if they are terminated. (Imagine how hard this would be for e.g. the SaaS tool your company uses to view financial reporting if it required every user at your company to create their own username/password. If you wanted to prevent someone from "going rogue" during termination, you would need to have an admin remove t…

I agree, but I think the GP was asking about use cases for a solo dev.

Re: GitHub is now free for teams

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Post by m0zg »

I'd much rather they threw in more LFS storage on my $7 plan. But I suppose they know that already if they're moving towards a more "freemium" model. First hit is free, and then pay through the nose for LFS.

Re: GitHub is now free for teams

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Post by bamboozled »

colinloretz wrote: post #437
bamboozled wrote: post #429

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Excuse me for being cynical, but I read this announcement as: “Because nothing is truly free, we will be selling your data to pay for this new seemingly free service.” If this is what you’re doing, if the privacy policy changes, I’ll be very disappointed. How will this be funded? We’re customers actually against paying a small free to use the service?

Read his comment again. They are supporting the free plans with Github Enterprise. > We've wanted to make this change for the last 18 months, but needed our Enterprise business to be big enough to enable the free use of GitHub by the rest of the world. I'm happy to say that it's grown dramatically in the last year, and so we're able to make GitHub free for teams that don't need Enterprise features.

Being an SRE who’s worked for a lot of different companies, I can tell you building and hosting something like GitHub is expensive, it seems unreal to me they’re selling enough self hosted solutions to pay for everything and keep GitHub profitable.

Re: GitHub is now free for teams

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Post by colechristensen »

3xblah wrote: post #445

Would it be fair to explain this move as a "user retention" tactic. Perhaps it becomes a more difficult decision for teams to close out their paid accounts, even amidst an economic downturn, when the fees are removed. One could argue some MSFT acquisitions have been focused on acquiring large swaths of exisiting users moreso than acquiring revenue streams or work product. Github could have been one such acquisition.

Maybe GitLab is starting to seem like more and more competition so they're having to add more free features to compete for users.
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