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There was a time when Google Maps would simply refuse to work without having Location History turned on; not sure if that has changed by now.
That was never true. It was annoyingly aggresive, had some annoying UI limitations (e.g. it wouldn't remember past trips) but it was never fully unable to function.
Google can use Bluetooth to track phones even with Bluetooth turned off (2018)
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Re: Google can use Bluetooth to track phones even with Bluetooth turned off (2018)
#92Earlier quoted context omitted.
Having location history means that Maps knows places I visit often, so they're highlighted on the map and in the search box, saving time if I want to navigate there or find out opening times. It speeds up time-to-fix with GPS. It allows Google Pay to have the supermarket loyalty card ready when I get to the checkout. Little things like that.
Last time I checked, Google Pay stores your credit card number in the cloud, which is not necessary. Both Apple Pay and Garmin Pay only store the card in an encrypted form locally. So giving Google my location history so I can also give them my credit card numbers when they don't need those either is not considered a feature. I use Google Maps frequently and have been bothered by any behavior changes there. My home a…
Re: Google can use Bluetooth to track phones even with Bluetooth turned off (2018)
#93Is this similar to Apple’s “off but not really off” modes for Bluetooth and WiFi where the toggle in Control Center keeps them active for certain purposes on iOS (and making it “really off” requires going to Settings)? Or is it different from that? I couldn’t really distinguish even after reading this article fully. The way to turn it off, described in the article, did seem very messy, and as with Android, the steps…
My Pixel 3a XL does this with WiFi, I'm convinced it's never actually off. It will auto connect to remembered WiFi networks even when I "turn WiFi off".
https://source.android.com/devices/tech/connect/wifi-scan
> On devices running Android 9 or lower, when the device is disconnected from Wi-Fi and the screen is off, PNO scans occur at 20 second intervals for the first three scans, then slow down to one scan every 60 seconds for all subsequent scans. PNO scanning stops when a saved network is found or the screen is turned on.
Re: Google can use Bluetooth to track phones even with Bluetooth turned off (2018)
#94The article says turning off Location History "cripples" certain features of Android and Google. That's a stretch. I have had Location History disabled for years and have yet to notice what crippled experience I suffered from, but I did learn today that my location is not being sent to Google when Bluetooth is turned off. Disabling Location History seems like it has significant upside to me. Think about it this way.…
Yes.
>For what feature or benefit?
By the time I pull into my driveway my garage door has opened and the lights in my hallway have turned on.
If I'm working from home, my thermostat stays at its "comfy" setting. If I leave the geofence between certain hours during the week it goes into "ultra cheap-ass energy miser" mode.
When I am at a meeting, and I have another meeting in a different location, my Maps application checks the traffic to the route and tells me if I have to leave early due to congestion. This is especially useful for dentist appointments made six months ago that have slipped my mind.
When I turn on my car and my phone connects, it knows if I am likely to be heading to work or if I am heading home and will suggest the best of three routes to take depending on traffic.
If I am somewhere and have an idea, I hold my smartwatch up to my face and ask it to "remind me when I get to X to do Y" and then when I get to X a notification pops up to tell me to do Y.
I get hyper-local weather notifications. Just 5 minutes ago on my smartwatch a notification popped up saying that rain was starting. It then started raining. There have been times when I have been outside not expecting rain, had my watch say "oh man rain's a-comin!" and then I looked around at the clear skies and said "nuhuh... I looked at the forecast today and there's no rain" but then I went inside to check on the computer again and it started raining.
While driving I can just ask: hey give me directions to the nearest gas station, and it will. No looking at screens required.
>With what risks?
None. There are literally zero risks. Evil Ruskie hackers could haxxor all of my data and know that I go to work every (non-quarantined) day and go to Safeway every Sunday afternoon, and it would not change or endanger my life in any way whatsoever. Anything they could do with the data, they can do without.
Re: Google can use Bluetooth to track phones even with Bluetooth turned off (2018)
#95Earlier quoted context omitted.
Another point to make is that iOS also made it a bit harder for the user to completely turn off bluetooth and wifi from the control center since iOS 11, possibly allowing scanners and beacons to pick up these devices from passers by. Unless you directly get into the setting screen and switch it off. Sure Apple keeps Bluetooth/Wifi on for 'Find My' services but I'm pretty sure it will also be used for the contact trac…
Also airplane mode by default no longer turns off everything. Really annoying. By the way this is not for ‘Find My’ services because these only work if the device has internet connectivity. The newly announced mesh functionality is not active yet.
Re: Google can use Bluetooth to track phones even with Bluetooth turned off (2018)
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I have to say, I did not know that, you have to go to an extra menu. I really hate all todays OS, how they fool all user. On the other side, Apps like Wiggle.net do not work since Android 9 because they limited WiFi scanning.
I'm on Android 8.1. When turning off Bluetooth the entire Bluetooth menu showing previously paired devices changes to just show the string "When Bluetooth is turned on, your device can communicate with other nearby Bluetooth devices. To improve location accuracy, system apps and services can still detect Bluetooth devices. You can change this setting in _scanning settings_[link to the associated settings page]". I do…
I suppose you have no problem with people calling things purchase when they mean short-term rental, either.
Do you really think it's called "off" when it's not off for any other reason than to fool users? They could make "off" actually mean off very easily.
Re: Google can use Bluetooth to track phones even with Bluetooth turned off (2018)
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It's easy to hide these things behind It Just Works (tm). Give me a device that doesn't "just work". I want actual freedom in what my peripherals are doing.
If you want actual freedom, you have to take time to look at all the menus.
Re: Google can use Bluetooth to track phones even with Bluetooth turned off (2018)
#98In the bluetooth settings it literally states: "To improve device experience, apps and services can still scan for nearby devices at any time, even when Bluetooth is off." This can be completely turned off in scanning settings. The article title is kind of clickbaity.
I don't see this setting in Android 10... does it mean that it is now "impossible" to completely turn it off?
Re: Google can use Bluetooth to track phones even with Bluetooth turned off (2018)
#99Earlier quoted context omitted.
I have to say, I did not know that, you have to go to an extra menu. I really hate all todays OS, how they fool all user. On the other side, Apps like Wiggle.net do not work since Android 9 because they limited WiFi scanning.
I'm on Android 8.1. When turning off Bluetooth the entire Bluetooth menu showing previously paired devices changes to just show the string "When Bluetooth is turned on, your device can communicate with other nearby Bluetooth devices. To improve location accuracy, system apps and services can still detect Bluetooth devices. You can change this setting in _scanning settings_[link to the associated settings page]". I do…
Re: Google can use Bluetooth to track phones even with Bluetooth turned off (2018)
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It seems a bit overblown to suggest that iOS is hiding this, when it openly warns you what it's doing when you use those Control Center buttons (messages shown quoted below) and leaves the buttons highlighted in a non-disabled state (in contrast to the disabled state that Airplane Mode usually displays one centimeter above): > Disconnecting Nearby Wi-Fi Until Tomorrow > Disconnecting Bluetooth Devices Until Tomorrow…
I bet if you stopped 100 people and asked them to turn off Bluetooth or WiFi using the control center, and to pay attention to the messages you quoted, 100 of them would read those messages and see the colors of the buttons go from blue to white and tell you it means those services are completely deactivated. It absolutely does not warn you that it is keeping some of those services going in the background.
If you're a normal user, you don't care about whether the radio is active or not. You care about whether you can easily disconnect from crappy Bluetooth devices, or whether you can easily disconnect from broken cafe wi-fi to switch to cellular. The control center buttons provided by Apple do both of those things, without breaking Apple's ecosystem of devices.
Is this resulting control center behavior optimal? Sure is for Apple users. Everything that's broken disconnects and everything magic continues working. Is this optimal for tech nerds? Sure, if they're Apple users, because they quickly come to realize how useful "disconnect from this specific SSID today only, but continue using wi-fi when I go home" is. Is this optimal for people who want to aggressively control their radios at all times? Nope, sure isn't, you'll have to go to the Settings dialog and realize to do so the first time, presumably having missed out on endless Device Paranoia 101 courses that explain this.
Turning off Bluetooth and Wi-Fi is something that most users do not require of their device, and do not want of their device. Those that do want this for some sort of specific reason are the extremely rare exception, and just happen to be in slightly higher proportion here at HN relative to the rest of the world.