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Google can use Bluetooth to track phones even with Bluetooth turned off (2018)

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Re: Google can use Bluetooth to track phones even with Bluetooth turned off (2018)

#41
What's all this data about me worth to Google? It can't be that much. I've never bought something from an internet ad in my life. With the whole world going SaaS I'm amazed there's no "Google Private" subscription where I can pay them five dollars a month to give me what they already do without collecting data about me.

Frankly I think personal data is every bit as much of an addiction as heroin.

Re: Google can use Bluetooth to track phones even with Bluetooth turned off (2018)

#43
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That was never true. It was annoyingly aggresive, had some annoying UI limitations (e.g. it wouldn't remember past trips) but it was never fully unable to function.

You couldn't even save locations (such as a "home" or "work" location) without allowing google to track your location history.

Yes, that sucked, which is why I mentioned it.

Re: Google can use Bluetooth to track phones even with Bluetooth turned off (2018)

#44
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Except this is a lie. It’s not being done to ‘improve device experience’.

Using devices with GPS + WiFi to identify and catalog the relative geographic location of SSIDs is beneficial to other devices with WiFi capability that can benefit from Geographic location but lack GPS. The same is true of Bluetooth beacons.

Such as? My watch, for example, uses the gps from my phone (if I would let it, that is).

And are you implying that Google is cataloging my SSID even though I have it "hidden?"

Re: Google can use Bluetooth to track phones even with Bluetooth turned off (2018)

#45

The article says turning off Location History "cripples" certain features of Android and Google. That's a stretch. I have had Location History disabled for years and have yet to notice what crippled experience I suffered from, but I did learn today that my location is not being sent to Google when Bluetooth is turned off. Disabling Location History seems like it has significant upside to me. Think about it this way.…

Having location history means that Maps knows places I visit often, so they're highlighted on the map and in the search box, saving time if I want to navigate there or find out opening times. It speeds up time-to-fix with GPS. It allows Google Pay to have the supermarket loyalty card ready when I get to the checkout. Little things like that.

Re: Google can use Bluetooth to track phones even with Bluetooth turned off (2018)

#46
post #5

In the bluetooth settings it literally states: "To improve device experience, apps and services can still scan for nearby devices at any time, even when Bluetooth is off." This can be completely turned off in scanning settings. The article title is kind of clickbaity.

But to 95% of users turning off Bluetooth means using the toggle, doesn't it?

Re: Google can use Bluetooth to track phones even with Bluetooth turned off (2018)

#47
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Shocked! I wouldn't really care if they were upfront about it, but when they try to hide it, it makes it adversarial and since I consider myself technical, I must do as my cat does and make it stop.

They are upfront about it, it’s right there in the settings. When you first set up a Google phone, it will Warm you that WiFi does scanning for location services, and the Bluetooth setting is in the same page.

And does it tell you how to totally disable them?

Re: Google can use Bluetooth to track phones even with Bluetooth turned off (2018)

#48
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post #5

In the bluetooth settings it literally states: "To improve device experience, apps and services can still scan for nearby devices at any time, even when Bluetooth is off." This can be completely turned off in scanning settings. The article title is kind of clickbaity.

Another point to make is that iOS also made it a bit harder for the user to completely turn off bluetooth and wifi from the control center since iOS 11, possibly allowing scanners and beacons to pick up these devices from passers by. Unless you directly get into the setting screen and switch it off. Sure Apple keeps Bluetooth/Wifi on for 'Find My' services but I'm pretty sure it will also be used for the contact trac…

I remember reading from an authoritative source (Probably the Apple Support website, but I don’t remember alas) that this is done to retain functionality of wireless-based system services — which require Bluetooth and Wi-Fi enabled; like AirDrop, Handoff, Universal Clipboard, Instant Hotspot, etc.

(Not for nefarious/tracking reasons.)

Re: Google can use Bluetooth to track phones even with Bluetooth turned off (2018)

#49
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I wonder, what apps and services it helps improve? Why would you want to turn bluetooth off but not really turn it off?

Any unboxing experience. I mean, naively this means that the doodad you just bought (like the IoT Sous-vide heater I got for Christmas) requires you to fumble with your settings to turn BT back on before you can pair it. Now, sure, I'm sure the response of the people here is "But I turned it off because I want to have to use settings to turn it back on." And that's fine. But that's not the use case for most users, I…

I think you are right. I don't like it, but as a user, I appear to be in a minority. My wife is not concerned about tracking nearly as much as I am. She was ok with ads disappearing from her Kindle, but she does not want to fiddle with anything. And to be perfectly honest, the older I get, the harder it is for me to devote time to do that as well. I even accepted BT pairing in car. That said, I already placed a line in the sand on BT for oven/fridge/toaster/younameit.

Re: Google can use Bluetooth to track phones even with Bluetooth turned off (2018)

#50
To paraphrase Arthur Dent: "This must be a meaning of the word off with which I was previously unaware"

Both the title and Google are misleading: Bluetooth is not off; it is not participating in Bluetooth transactions but it is still listening.

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