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Nasty macOS flaw is bricking MacBooks: Don't install this update

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Re: Nasty macOS flaw is bricking MacBooks: Don't install this update

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Confirmed; this is what happened to my 16" after this install. I needed to do a DFU restore (using Apple Configurator 2 -- you can download it to your hopefully spare MacBook from the app store) to get my mac back up and running. Unfortunately, for some reason, after the DFU restore, my 16" came back up to do a full reinstall, and I had to restore my files from backup. Took a day, but all's well now.

The SSD in a T2 Mac is encrypted in the same way that an iPhone is, so if the DFU crashes hard enough you’ll have to regenerate new keys and that’s equivalent to drive zero. Glad it helped.

Is it possible to export a recovery key? Because this kind of failure simply due to a bad update shouldn't be acceptable.

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Why would I want to wake up in the morning to find my laptop not working? This issue is exactly why I only occasionally install updates, and if I do I wait a while for the canaries to leave the coal mine. I've been a user of macOS, distros of Linux, and Windows for years, and in every one of them there was the inevitable update that made the OS unusable. It happens rarely but, when it does, it's a miserable experienc…

Interested in hearing about a Linux update that made the system unusable.

Me too. People fail to grasp the difference between rendering the whole system unusable and just the OS.

On a PC pretty much the only thing that can brick the machine is a BIOS update.

Re: Nasty macOS flaw is bricking MacBooks: Don't install this update

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Ugh. My 2018 i9 has been freezing randomly recently. I actually rushed to install the most recent update hoping it would fix the freezing. It hasn’t and now I gotta worry about this. I regret upgrading to Catalina. Nothing but problems since.

Re: Nasty macOS flaw is bricking MacBooks: Don't install this update

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This is interesting. I sat down at my machine on Thursday morning, and it was entirely unresponsive. It had warned me about installing updates the previous evening, but I've done this many times without an issue, and regardless, they are always complete by morning. I waited a minute or two for any sign of life (beyond the fans running), and then held power. I heard the unpleasant sound of the fans spinning up to high…

For added irony, my Hackintosh installed the update without missing a beat.

I have been a Hackintosh user since 2010 and I’ve never had a system break in point release. If you set it up right, it’s not that common.

Major version upgrades are an entirely different matter, although even they sometimes just work with Clover.

Re: Nasty macOS flaw is bricking MacBooks: Don't install this update

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What OS X and Windows, IOS, Android and probably lots of others need, is Long Term Support releases. I'm so sick and tired of my phone and computer switching up major features and UI every year, because some UX person wants to not get fired. Releasing a new major version of your OS yearly is insane.

Windows has LTSC

They do. Since Microsoft already puts all the effort into maintaining this branch, why the heck isn’t it available to normal consumers who want it? Heck, why do they keep telling enterprises to pretty pretty please not use it?

Is Microsoft concerned users would like it too much? Maybe that’s a sign that their constant feature updates aren’t actually desirable and they should back off.

Re: Nasty macOS flaw is bricking MacBooks: Don't install this update

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This has been mentioned quite a few times but Apple's software quality seriously has taken a turn for the worse in the last few years. I've usually updated my macs to the latest OS's within a couple of weeks of release, but Catalina is the first time where I still have yet to update. Stories of bugs such as this as well as mail messages getting blanked out and unrecoverable makes me actually scared to upgrade.

With Catalina, I'm also not seeing any major benefit to upgrading. The features list is thin and no 32bit programs kills a lot of random stuff that I can't find a quick replacement for. This is the first time I'm not upgrading macOS in 15+ years.

Re: Nasty macOS flaw is bricking MacBooks: Don't install this update

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I've updated my MacBook Pro 2019 before I saw the HN post, the updated went smoothly without any issues (so far). I've done the same update on my Mac Mini 2018 and now the fan has stopped working after reboot. Tried to reset NVRAM and SMC without any luck... the fan is still unresponsive. Apple diagnostics even confirms this by giving an error code PPF003

My mid-2015 mac (last REAL MacBook IMO) won't install it at all.

It says it's installing, I reboot, it does some stuff, then I come back and the update isn't applied.

Quality stuff!

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The original source[0] states that access to Recovery Mode is not possible, at least in some cases. One user there reports[1] that the device shows no signs of life--no power, no fans spinning, nothing: > No power at all. I tried SMC and PRAM reset but sadly was unable to do either since my computer won’t even turn on. [0]: https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/warning-macos-catalina-... [1]: https://forums.macrumors.…

I have this issue. Computer went to sleep after the update. This was on Friday. Haven't been able to do any kind of thing on it. Trackpad 'clicks' but no screen, not touchbar, nothing (2018 Macbook Pro). Called apple, they tld me it had to go a store, unfortunately where I live, due to quarantine there are no shops available to pick it, and we aren't allowed to drive outside our district. Will try the apple configura…

Have you tried force-restarting it?

Re: Nasty macOS flaw is bricking MacBooks: Don't install this update

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The SSD in a T2 Mac is encrypted in the same way that an iPhone is, so if the DFU crashes hard enough you’ll have to regenerate new keys and that’s equivalent to drive zero. Glad it helped.

Is it possible to export a recovery key? Because this kind of failure simply due to a bad update shouldn't be acceptable.

No.

Re: Nasty macOS flaw is bricking MacBooks: Don't install this update

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I was using since 10.3 and my, 10.5 introduced Quick Look, Time Machine, Boot Camp, Spaces and folder popup in dock which made me feel it has become totally good enough for daily use. Then 10.6 optimized the entire OS when I was surprised that a new OS release actually required less disk space to install and more performant on a same hardware. I agree some of those security features are good to have but it's like the…

Then 10.6 optimized the entire OS when I was surprised that a new OS release actually required less disk space to install and more performant on a same hardware. This was nice, though it has to be said that the disk space reduction was not because of real optimizations. They removed support for PowerPC in 10.6, so the included applications are not fat/universal binaries anymore. They also removed printer drivers and…

Given that Apple released separate OS install discs and update packages for PPC vs Intel, why were they installing fat binaries of built-in software anyway?

For 3rd party apps universal binaries made complete sense as a way of simplifying app distribution, but that doesn’t extend to the OS.

Heck, do Intel Windows 10 installs include ARM copies of every binary now? I hope not...

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