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Nasty macOS flaw is bricking MacBooks: Don't install this update

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Re: Nasty macOS flaw is bricking MacBooks: Don't install this update

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post #67

I'm consistently amazed by HN's ability to take the most meaningless, inconsequential part of an article (the scroll behavior, the whitespace, the usage of the word "bricked"), and nitpick it to hell and back instead of actually discussing the article. Bravo.

Something needs to be done about the default comment ordering or subthread collapsing ability on HN. I understand I can easily collapse a comment’s replies with a single tap in the correct tiny location, but that isn’t enough. I became increasingly fatigued as I scrolled down seeing reply after reply to the top comment all arguing over the definition of “bricked”, assuming that surely at any moment I’d reach the bottom of the subthread and be able to move on to read something more useful. Finally I became frustrated enough to scroll to the top and collapse the parent comment, and that worked this time, but the issue is that it isn’t always the top comment on the page you want to collapse, so it becomes a blind hunt for the correct comment to collapse. You probably won’t remember the exact indentation depth of the comment you need to collapse so you’re stuck deciding whether to waste time looking for it or tough out trying to scroll to the bottom of the subthread (while continuously getting excited then disappointed every time the indentation shifts left and you’re tricked into thinking you’ve finally reached the end). It’s a daily annoyance but I’m not sure what could remedy it.

Also I’ve read that submissions with too much early comment activity get removed automatically for seemingly being too controversial. If so then maybe that rule should apply to comments as well. Controversial comments could automatically sink lower despite upvote count, as well as older comments.

Re: Nasty macOS flaw is bricking MacBooks: Don't install this update

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post #45

It's not "bricked" if you can fix it in Recovery Mode. Still bad that it's happening, but the term "bricked" is thrown around so flippantly these days. If a piece of tech is bricked, it's not recoverable at all.

"Bricked" is relative, depending on your skill level. For some consumers, if recovery mode doesn't work that might be the end of line. However, there are more advanced users that can access the storage via another system and fix it there, hook up via serial port or JTAG and flash new firmware, or even desolder and replace chips. On the far other end of the spectrum, there's going to be people that consider "doesn't s…

>However, there are more advanced users that can access the storage via another system and fix it there, hook up via serial port or JTAG and flash new firmware, or even desolder and replace chips.

Not all people own more than one system.

If it was my only computer, and depend on it to do work and earn my living, and it broke, I would be terribly upset. Especially these days with the quarantine.

Re: Nasty macOS flaw is bricking MacBooks: Don't install this update

#203
post #67

I'm consistently amazed by HN's ability to take the most meaningless, inconsequential part of an article (the scroll behavior, the whitespace, the usage of the word "bricked"), and nitpick it to hell and back instead of actually discussing the article. Bravo.

It appears you created this account just to make this massively derailing comment. Regardless of what you think about HN comments, this is antisocial behavior, and can't possibly raise the quality of discussion.

It could raise the quality of discussion in the future if it discourages people who nitpick definitions from doing it again.

Re: Nasty macOS flaw is bricking MacBooks: Don't install this update

#204
post #45

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"Bricked" is relative, depending on your skill level. For some consumers, if recovery mode doesn't work that might be the end of line. However, there are more advanced users that can access the storage via another system and fix it there, hook up via serial port or JTAG and flash new firmware, or even desolder and replace chips. On the far other end of the spectrum, there's going to be people that consider "doesn't s…

Granted there's no formal definition of "bricked" it usually means a hardware requirement to restore functionality. I'd like to keep it this way even to the general lay person. Because if you need hardware the barrier to entry goes up significantly. Agreed that 'bricked' is not the right term here.

A good definition of bricked is "software update rendered the computer unusable for the user".

Re: Nasty macOS flaw is bricking MacBooks: Don't install this update

#205
post #67

I'm consistently amazed by HN's ability to take the most meaningless, inconsequential part of an article (the scroll behavior, the whitespace, the usage of the word "bricked"), and nitpick it to hell and back instead of actually discussing the article. Bravo.

Ask some philosophers "what you need to do to have a good life?". They will start discussing:

"What is life?" "What is good?" "What is need?" "What is you?" "What is what?"

And those discussions will never end unless the time itself ends.

Re: Nasty macOS flaw is bricking MacBooks: Don't install this update

#206
post #67

I'm consistently amazed by HN's ability to take the most meaningless, inconsequential part of an article (the scroll behavior, the whitespace, the usage of the word "bricked"), and nitpick it to hell and back instead of actually discussing the article. Bravo.

To me this is a feature, not a bug. I come here for the hacker lens, often on what I've already read elsewhere. Sometimes while reading an article I silently curse the load time or layout or terminology. Then I see others here discussing that. HN does not disappoint.

Yes. People on reddit are too boring serious and straight to the point. Here on HN we can have a link about some programming language and we start discussing about physics, the Universe or cats. Much more creative. :)

Re: Nasty macOS flaw is bricking MacBooks: Don't install this update

#208
post #161

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Is the power system in your house bricked if you don't know how to reset the fuse? Is your car bricked if your battery dies and you need help to replace it? Maybe, but this sounds really strange to my ears. I think for me the difference between bricked and non bricked is the expense of the repair, and maybe if it's more than the value of the device. If the wiring in your house is all melted after lightning strike the…

For a lot of people, any non-normal state == bricked. Especially now, when the genius bar isn't open. And yes, there's a difference between a soft brick and a hard brick, and it depends on your ability to repair. Getting my phone stuck in a bootloop is usually a soft brick, but my Pixel went into one a few years ago for no apparent reason (likely mobo failure) and that was beyond my capacity to repair or diagnose, so…

Maybe you could call that broke, but that isn't bricked.

Re: Nasty macOS flaw is bricking MacBooks: Don't install this update

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post #111
post #102

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Even a supposedly sleeping Mac will wake up from time to time, doing exactly what I don’t know. But I consistently see it in the logs.

It will sync email and other things so that everything is already downloaded when you wake it up. See https://support.apple.com/en-gb/HT204032

And it won’t do CRON because reasons
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