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Re: Moving Away from Gmail

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Post by ahofmann »

luckylion wrote: post #198
tzs wrote: post #191

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Wait...your mail was a reply to a mail they sent to you, and it went to the bit bucket? Their spam handling is not sophisticated enough to special case replies to mails that they have sent?

Google does this as well - neither a history of emailing back and forth nor a same-day reply will keep incoming email safe from being classified as spam if it's being sent by an ordinary mail server. Hell, Google even manages to classify emails as spam that are sent from one address on a GSuite account to another address on the same account.

That's exactly what happened to me. I wrote a mail from my GSuite domain to another one. With other addresses from the domain I had contact, but with this account my mails did not arrive in spam, did not bounce. Just got deleted by Google. It was reproducible and took away all my trust in Gmail. The worst part is that I know there is no point in trying to report this problem. I wouldn't even know how to contact Google.

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Post by iliaznk »

I'd recommend at least getting your own email domain so you are still able to use Gmail's interface, but could easily switch to something else if necessary. That's what I did with Pobox – reliable and affordable solution for that (and even more).

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Post by rolisz »

emilburzo wrote: post #197

> Technically, I could use GMail with my own domain, but only by signing up for a business GSuite account. Actually it is possible to use your own domain with even a regular Gmail account (although not straight-forward), and it works well -- I know because that's how I have set it up. Requirements: own domain with MX records pointing to your server(s) running SMTP software Receiving: SMTP server forwards to gmail acc…

Wow, that's quite interesting!

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Post by rolisz »

wycy wrote: post #116

Question for people who have emails at their own domain: what do you pick as your email address? Do you typically use first@firstlast.com? firstlast@firstlast.com? first@last.com? me@firstlast.com? Do you typically use multiple accounts?

My domain is something that I've had for a long time and it's my preferred nick online (rolisz). The email address I give out to humans is then first@domain_name

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Post by rolisz »

simonjgreen wrote: post #41

It really saddens me when I see topics like this and just doing it yourself doesn't come up as an option. Running a mail server is not difficult, and I firmly believe that deliverability is quite solvable. This was basic sysadmin 101 about a decade ago, one skill of many that's getting lost in the S/I/PaaS ecosystem.

I briefly looked into running my own mail server, but from what I've heard, sometimes you run into issues with deliverability, which are quite hard to fix.

Otherwise I run plenty of own infra, both on VPS's on DigitalOcean and on my home server.

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Post by eru »

lisper wrote: post #194
travbrack wrote: post #193

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Do other spam filters actually check every incoming email against a database of outgoing emails?

Mine does. And I wrote it myself.

You could use a Bloom filter to save on memory.

And perhaps empty it once a year, if necessary. (Ie so that replies to emails older than a year don't rank better than random emails.)

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Post by rolisz »

timwis wrote: post #196

I switched from Gmail to Fastmail a year ago and I really miss how Gmail filtered things into primary/social/updates/forums. I feel overwhelmed with a single inbox, and can’t possibly keep up with my own custom filters. The result is I’m likely to miss something important. Does anyone have a solution for this?

Try to use aliases. Give out news@domain.com when signing up for a newspaper, gaming@domain.com for gaming accounts and so on. In this way, a simple filter for incoming address will cover a lot of different email senders.

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Post by microtonal »

0ld wrote: post #215
maheart wrote: post #199

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Do you remember what sort of validation you had setup (if any)? e.g. SPF, DKIM, IP from reputable block, etc. I'm curious to what degree this can potentially be mitigated.

spf, dkim and clean ip were enough for my opensmtpd to deliver mail from my domain into gmail and outlook inboxes

The problem is that you are really dependent in what other people in your address range do. One malicious user in the same DC could reduce the reputation of an address range and then you get mail delivery problems.

I'd rather pay someone to sort out such issues for me. The $5 p/m or so I pay Fastmail monthly are far cheaper than my own time.

Re: Moving Away from Gmail

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Post by rolisz »

jvolkman wrote: post #24
rolisz wrote: post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

GSuite has some quirks when it comes to personal usages. For example, you can't use it for Family Groups, which allows me to share a YouTube Premium account with my wife.

Pretty sure a PurelyMail account will also not work for these things.

Sure, but I will keep my GMail account - for YouTube Premium. But at least if it gets banned for whatever reason, I lose only my Youtube history and nothing more.

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Post by PudgePacket »

aorth wrote: post #200

> Ability to use multiple aliases. I want to have site_name@rolisz.ro, besides the main address I will give out, but still have everything come in to my main inbox. It's not an alias, but you can effectively get this for free with any mail provider by using a plus sign (+). For a really extreme (and awesome) example, see: http://www.jacobsen.no/anders/blog/archives/2002/08/24/email... He suggests using emails like: a…

I've seen sites reject for having the plus and strip it on submit when I tried this :/ so not a perfect solution
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