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Re: Moving Away from Gmail

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Post by tzs »

steelframe wrote: post #175

I used to run my own mail server, and that very nearly cost me a career-changing job at Microsoft. My reply to a hiring manager for a team I really wanted to work on went into Microsoft's bit bucket because (I'm guessing) their spam detectors didn't like my own domain and my own instance of Exim sending out my emails. When a recruiter (thankfully) followed up and scheduled me for on-site interviews, that manager ment…

Wait...your mail was a reply to a mail they sent to you, and it went to the bit bucket? Their spam handling is not sophisticated enough to special case replies to mails that they have sent?

Re: Moving Away from Gmail

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Post by vzaliva »

nullc wrote: post #168
vzaliva wrote: post #100

Earlier quoted context omitted.

any provider can ban your account. my recourse is to switch my domain. I do not use @gmail.com address - I use my own domain with google mail.

> I do not use @gmail.com address - I use my own domain with google mail. That is key, and really good advice. People with that setup are massively better off.

this discussion inspired me to write down my thoughts on email setup: https://medium.com/@krokodil42/a-quick-guide-to-your-persona...

Re: Moving Away from Gmail

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Post by travbrack »

tzs wrote: post #191
steelframe wrote: post #175

I used to run my own mail server, and that very nearly cost me a career-changing job at Microsoft. My reply to a hiring manager for a team I really wanted to work on went into Microsoft's bit bucket because (I'm guessing) their spam detectors didn't like my own domain and my own instance of Exim sending out my emails. When a recruiter (thankfully) followed up and scheduled me for on-site interviews, that manager ment…

Wait...your mail was a reply to a mail they sent to you, and it went to the bit bucket? Their spam handling is not sophisticated enough to special case replies to mails that they have sent?

Do other spam filters actually check every incoming email against a database of outgoing emails?

Re: Moving Away from Gmail

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Post by lisper »

travbrack wrote: post #193
tzs wrote: post #191

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Wait...your mail was a reply to a mail they sent to you, and it went to the bit bucket? Their spam handling is not sophisticated enough to special case replies to mails that they have sent?

Do other spam filters actually check every incoming email against a database of outgoing emails?

Mine does. And I wrote it myself.

Re: Moving Away from Gmail

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Post by heinrichf »

gpanders wrote: post #36
ThePowerOfFuet wrote: post #31

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Copyright © 2016 AdVite GmbH This sounds like an advertising company. A person's inbox is the holy grail of info about them. I don't think I want to use this company for my email. Change my mind?

The company is based in Switzerland and is French speaking. Any chance "AdVite" means something different in French? Apart from that, their website states pretty clearly their privacy policy [1] and other terms [2]. It doesn't look like there is anything shady going on here. I don't personally use Migadu but I've had it bookmarked as the "service I would probably use if/when the day comes". [1]: https://www.migadu.co…

> The company is based in Switzerland and is French speaking. Any chance "AdVite" means something different in French?

No, it doesn't mean something different in French.

Re: Moving Away from Gmail

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Post by timwis »

I switched from Gmail to Fastmail a year ago and I really miss how Gmail filtered things into primary/social/updates/forums. I feel overwhelmed with a single inbox, and can’t possibly keep up with my own custom filters. The result is I’m likely to miss something important. Does anyone have a solution for this?

Re: Moving Away from Gmail

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Post by emilburzo »

> Technically, I could use GMail with my own domain, but only by signing up for a business GSuite account.

Actually it is possible to use your own domain with even a regular Gmail account (although not straight-forward), and it works well -- I know because that's how I have set it up.

Requirements: own domain with MX records pointing to your server(s) running SMTP software

Receiving: SMTP server forwards to gmail account, SRS (Sender Rewriting Scheme) takes care so SPF doesn't fail, DKIM just works.

Sending: you configure Gmail to use your SMTP server for sending.

Gmail side: add email alias and verify it, the "reply" function is even smart enough to use the correct alias depending on the "TO"

Besides the bonus of "owning" your email while still using the goodies of Gmail, having "catch-all", being able to easily migrate if shit hits the fan, there were also some other things I didn't realize until doing this:

You can save a local copy of the emails on your server (nice extra backup).

You have access to email logs, if you are worried about reliability you can just check it on-the-fly, you don't have to wait for the "email delivery failed" notification.

Re: Moving Away from Gmail

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Post by luckylion »

tzs wrote: post #191
steelframe wrote: post #175

I used to run my own mail server, and that very nearly cost me a career-changing job at Microsoft. My reply to a hiring manager for a team I really wanted to work on went into Microsoft's bit bucket because (I'm guessing) their spam detectors didn't like my own domain and my own instance of Exim sending out my emails. When a recruiter (thankfully) followed up and scheduled me for on-site interviews, that manager ment…

Wait...your mail was a reply to a mail they sent to you, and it went to the bit bucket? Their spam handling is not sophisticated enough to special case replies to mails that they have sent?

Google does this as well - neither a history of emailing back and forth nor a same-day reply will keep incoming email safe from being classified as spam if it's being sent by an ordinary mail server.

Hell, Google even manages to classify emails as spam that are sent from one address on a GSuite account to another address on the same account.

Re: Moving Away from Gmail

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Post by maheart »

steelframe wrote: post #175

I used to run my own mail server, and that very nearly cost me a career-changing job at Microsoft. My reply to a hiring manager for a team I really wanted to work on went into Microsoft's bit bucket because (I'm guessing) their spam detectors didn't like my own domain and my own instance of Exim sending out my emails. When a recruiter (thankfully) followed up and scheduled me for on-site interviews, that manager ment…

Do you remember what sort of validation you had setup (if any)? e.g. SPF, DKIM, IP from reputable block, etc. I'm curious to what degree this can potentially be mitigated.

Re: Moving Away from Gmail

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Post by aorth »

> Ability to use multiple aliases. I want to have site_name@rolisz.ro, besides the main address I will give out, but still have everything come in to my main inbox.

It's not an alias, but you can effectively get this for free with any mail provider by using a plus sign (+). For a really extreme (and awesome) example, see:

http://www.jacobsen.no/anders/blog/archives/2002/08/24/email...

He suggests using emails like: aorth+news.ycombinator.com+2020-04-12@example.com. The benefits are that you get a lightweight alias that you can filter on, but you also get a canary that tells you which site sold your email address when you start getting spam to it! :)

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