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Moving Away from Gmail

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Re: Moving Away from Gmail

#201
Some weeks ago I decided to be brave and build my own mail server. With a great tutorial [1] I was able to do this in a few hours and learned a ton about email along the way. Because today it is possible to setup a lot of features via DNS I got no problems with email being marked as spam.

But I can understand this is not for everyone. Personally I got some problems with DNS misconfigurations and file access rights at first but got it working perfectly after a day or two.

[1] https://workaround.org/ispmail/buster/

Re: Moving Away from Gmail

#202
I, too, want to switch from using Google services.

I find it hard. I have hundreds of website accounts, all registered through Gmail. I don't even know all the websites I have accounts on. Switching all to use another mail address, would be at least very tedious and would take a very long time.

Also I have many contacts mailing me on my Gmail address. Making all those people use another address would be hard.

I can redirect Gmail probably, but that would mean still using Gmail.

Also, using Google's services is very convenient. And the only other provider which the same level of integration and which has e-mail, online docs, calendar, storage is Microsoft. And you have to pay if you want to use docs.

Maybe I'll use different providers for different services, but I 'll lose the integration.

And Google tries to make your life harder if you are not using Chrome and you are not logged in into Google account. You' ll see lots of recaptchas triggered if you use Firefox or Edge and you'll get the bot treatment if you try to access next pages in Google search.

Re: Moving Away from Gmail

#203
post #82

Earlier quoted context omitted.

No offense taken! I think you're broadly right that I could be doing a better job on reassuring messaging, and I'll put that on my work queue. I also hope to solve any bus factor problems before leaving beta. Right now if I were struck down, I think I'd still have about 9 months worth of free AWS credits on the account running the service, plus any profits. (It's not quite a self sustaining business yet, but it's not…

Your responsiveness on these questions is seriously making me consider picking up an account. I, too, am looking for an excuse to migrate off GMail (It's a significant project once you have 30+ accounts) and your product might just be the straw needed to get me moving.

I do try to answer questions on HN. It's a little hard to keep track of threads over time, though. (Am I missing something?)

Anyway, good luck getting away from gmail!

Re: Moving Away from Gmail

#204

> Technically, I could use GMail with my own domain, but only by signing up for a business GSuite account. Actually it is possible to use your own domain with even a regular Gmail account (although not straight-forward), and it works well -- I know because that's how I have set it up. Requirements: own domain with MX records pointing to your server(s) running SMTP software Receiving: SMTP server forwards to gmail acc…

Wow I didn't know that! Do you know if there are more detailed tutorials for this?

Re: Moving Away from Gmail

#205

> Technically, I could use GMail with my own domain, but only by signing up for a business GSuite account. Actually it is possible to use your own domain with even a regular Gmail account (although not straight-forward), and it works well -- I know because that's how I have set it up. Requirements: own domain with MX records pointing to your server(s) running SMTP software Receiving: SMTP server forwards to gmail acc…

Wow I didn't know that! Do you know if there are more detailed tutorials for this?

I guess it depends on how detailed you want it, but maybe Google's own help page already helps?

https://support.google.com/mail/answer/22370

Re: Moving Away from Gmail

#206
post #191

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Wait...your mail was a reply to a mail they sent to you, and it went to the bit bucket? Their spam handling is not sophisticated enough to special case replies to mails that they have sent?

Google does this as well - neither a history of emailing back and forth nor a same-day reply will keep incoming email safe from being classified as spam if it's being sent by an ordinary mail server. Hell, Google even manages to classify emails as spam that are sent from one address on a GSuite account to another address on the same account.

I think it is time we realize that Google in its current form is broken in many ways.

This is just one example. Others include:

- insisting on captchas,and not just one, even when I'm logged in with my >10 year old, paid for account with two-factor enabled

- not being able to detect flag attacks against legitimate accounts (as seen on the front page today)

- killing reader, trying to force everyone to use a single identify, then at the same time name their otherwise brilliant social network the same thing as the hated identity solition

- then killing said social network

- not being able to even keep the quality on their flagship user facing product (for us who knew it 10 and 15 years ago what we see today is a mockery.)

I hope someone here can submit applications for next batch of YC:

- like Google search in 2008. I'll happily turn off your adblocker for you and be glad to see simple, relevant text ads. Or pay up to USD5 monthly if thats better (more if necessary and if the quality is good enough, although at some point I'd probably need to expense it.)

- like Google+ but not owned by Google

- like Google Reader but not owned by Google

And, probably also (unrelated to Google):

- like stackoverflow but focused on answering questions, not playing political and nitpicking games

- like WhatsApp before they were acquired (and with a strong guarantee that this new company will stay independent)

Re: Moving Away from Gmail

#207

Can anyone recommend tools for removing email duplicates? I have a mess of archived email from different sources I intend one day to consolidate onto a decent IMAP provider. Over the years I've done all kinds of forwarding from one account to another, been in & out of gmail,etc. It's a bit of a mess, and consolidation would result in me using much more storage than I need because of dupes. A trustworthy deduping tool…

I use mutt for that which modifies local maildir so it's super fast. Commands are: "D~=$". Then it's just a matter of syncing local changes back e.g. with mbsync.

Thanks. I suppose I should take another look at mutt. When I have in the past it's seemed a bit overwhelming with features & config. Does that command remove dupes in a single folder or a hierarchy?

Re: Moving Away from Gmail

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post #156
post #82

Earlier quoted context omitted.

No offense taken! I think you're broadly right that I could be doing a better job on reassuring messaging, and I'll put that on my work queue. I also hope to solve any bus factor problems before leaving beta. Right now if I were struck down, I think I'd still have about 9 months worth of free AWS credits on the account running the service, plus any profits. (It's not quite a self sustaining business yet, but it's not…

Could you also commit to notifying users when the privacy policy or terms of service change? I suspect you already do this, but it would be good to have it in writing.

Sure. I'll add that in to the company policy documentation I'm going to draw up. (Or put it in the TOS itself?)

Re: Moving Away from Gmail

#209

I used to run my own mail server, and that very nearly cost me a career-changing job at Microsoft. My reply to a hiring manager for a team I really wanted to work on went into Microsoft's bit bucket because (I'm guessing) their spam detectors didn't like my own domain and my own instance of Exim sending out my emails. When a recruiter (thankfully) followed up and scheduled me for on-site interviews, that manager ment…

I use Gmail for personal mail and Yandex mail for my domains. I tried SendGrid but when I tested with Gmail, Outlook.com and Yahoo, most mails got into spam folder.

It's best to test when you set up email, whether you use your own server or use a provider.

Most of the times, sending mail from your own server will guarantee your mail gets into spam folder.

I can highly recommend Yandex as a mail provider.

Re: Moving Away from Gmail

#210
post #58

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For personal mail? I don't need fault tolerance if it is going to be down for 10 hours I don't care. If I run it I am going to fix it anyway and retry registration process for whatever I needed mail. Spam filtering use 10minute mail or something for crap that you don't care. Give your mail address to people and companies you actually want to deal with. Better just keep some spam box on free provider where you sign up…

> DKIM and stuff does not matter if you send ONE EMAIL A MONTH or two. DKIM matters if you want to not have to tell people to check their spam box whenever you correspond with them via email.

Yes if you send 1k mails a day, if you send 1 a day or 1 a week even google will pass it through no problem.

I send all kinds of test stuff to my own gmail accounts and other providers. Unless you send really a lot email or unless someone marks you as a spam it is not an issue.

Blocking spammers is about rate limiting, if you are "nigerian prince" - one email a day - is not going to help you finding a person who wants to help you. Ideally you would like to send emails to everyone at once to find that one special person who wants to help you.

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