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Re: France rules Google must pay news firms for content

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Post by joejerryronnie »

CPLX wrote: post #24
joejerryronnie wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Correct. Europe’s main concern is regaining the power and influence they once held a couple centuries ago. These rulings are not really about tech business practices or consumer rights. You see the same thing playing out in the US with the east coast establishment (politics and media) fighting back against the power shift west.

Good. Intense concentrations of power are a problem, by definition. We did literally base the US system of government on this concept.

Interesting that everybody is looking to the Federal Government to solve their problems now.

Re: France rules Google must pay news firms for content

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Post by dilyevsky »

izacus wrote: post #28
_8j50 wrote: post #26

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why? Google derives value from news site's content. Advertisers pay google for clicks,if google treated news sites the same as any other site there would be no problem but google is adding additional value to their own product at the expense of news sites without additonal compensation. You seem to think it is a priviledge to be listed on google, I disagree, it is a priviledge for google to be allowed to conduct busi…

> Why? Google derives value from news site's content. Advertisers pay google for clicks,if google treated news sites the same as any other site there would be no problem but google is adding additional value to their own product at the expense of news sites without additonal compensation. Hmm, sorry, this makes no sense - in this context the only possible advertisers are the news companies themselves (this is how you…

You and me googling for news sites and presumably clicking on ads (which I’m not really sure are even shown for news queries). In reality I think news sites benefit a lot more from being featured in that feed but i guess we’ll find out soon enough if that’s true

Re: France rules Google must pay news firms for content

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Post by gliboc »

_ofdw wrote: post #15
jimmaswell wrote: post #4

Europe's not going to stop until the internet is totally burned to the ground, are they?

Seems to me the EU and GDPR-like legislation is saving the internet from the cancer of corporate control, particularly American Big Data like Google and Facebook. The latter are the ones burning the internet down with their walled gardens.

Thank you: this conversation was beginning to feel surreal, between the "let's pull the plug on these frenchies!" and the "how dare a sovereign state wants to legiferate on the activities of an American company on its territory"...

I do enjoy the irony of some Americans blaming big data companies when the president of their choice does not get elected, all the while advocating for less power to French news agencies (e.g. death by asphyxiation from Google news, without any recourse).

Re: France rules Google must pay news firms for content

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Post by matheusmoreira »

trekrich wrote: post #10
Sujan wrote: post #2

I wish Google would finally go with the kneejerk reaction of just unlisting all these sites from Google Search and News.

They should, and when they come back asking for it all to be undone they should say no. Let them swim for a little bit so france does not try this again. This was tried in spain, and quickly reversed.

So what you're saying is Google should have more power and authority than actual nations.

Re: France rules Google must pay news firms for content

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Post by falcor84 »

joejerryronnie wrote: post #31
CPLX wrote: post #24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Good. Intense concentrations of power are a problem, by definition. We did literally base the US system of government on this concept.

Interesting that everybody is looking to the Federal Government to solve their problems now.

I don't see any conflict between wanting the federal government to be small, while still wanting that federal government to be in charge of some things - this is literally the reason for having a federation in the first place

Re: France rules Google must pay news firms for content

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Post by mindslight »

jimmaswell wrote: post #4

Europe's not going to stop until the internet is totally burned to the ground, are they?

Google is responsible for burning the Internet to the ground. In general, Silicon Valley companies pretend to be creating Internet-ethos software while actually creating centrally administered proprietary services that are lightning rods for regulation. The net effect is helping to immunize incumbent power structures against real decentralized communications.

This decision would have necessarily been different if the case were about a diffuse Internet-native p2p app, but after this precedent has been set the legal system is now primed to see both the same way.

Re: France rules Google must pay news firms for content

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Post by ac29 »

smogcutter wrote: post #29

I get that HN hates journalists, but other than that I don’t see why people are on google’s side here. Is it about personal convenience? If you want to scrape someone else’s work and display it next to your own ads, it doesn’t seem crazy to ask you to pay up.

Google News doesn't have ads. In fact, its primary purpose appears to be to drive traffic to publisher's sites, which do have ads (presumably Google hopes they are Google ads).

Re: France rules Google must pay news firms for content

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Post by pkaye »

smogcutter wrote: post #29

I get that HN hates journalists, but other than that I don’t see why people are on google’s side here. Is it about personal convenience? If you want to scrape someone else’s work and display it next to your own ads, it doesn’t seem crazy to ask you to pay up.

I don't think news.google.com has any ads.

Re: France rules Google must pay news firms for content

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Post by kevindong »

smogcutter wrote: post #29

I get that HN hates journalists, but other than that I don’t see why people are on google’s side here. Is it about personal convenience? If you want to scrape someone else’s work and display it next to your own ads, it doesn’t seem crazy to ask you to pay up.

I don't necessarily disagree about Google being required to pay publishers to make money off of having snippets of their content in Google News.

But requiring Google to both index all websites (in a separate attempt to mitigate the monopoly effect) and requiring Google to pay publishers to include content in search results certainly has a bad smell to it.

If Google had the option to not index the websites, then I'd say it's fine.

Re: France rules Google must pay news firms for content

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Post by matheusmoreira »

jimmaswell wrote: post #4

Europe's not going to stop until the internet is totally burned to the ground, are they?

The internet was never going to last anyway. Every country wants to impose its own laws on it in order to guarantee the rights of their citizens. Instead of one international network, we'll end up with many national networks with strictly controlled boundaries.

I'm fortunate I got to know the true internet. Truly one of the great wonders of this world.

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