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Re: France rules Google must pay news firms for content

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Post by Multicomp »

blakesterz wrote: post #5

I think this is the actual judgement? https://www.autoritedelaconcurrence.fr/fr/communiques-de-pre... This techcrunch post has more details than Reuters: https://techcrunch.com/2020/04/09/frances-competition-watchd... Abusive practices the agency says it suspects Google of at this stage of its investigation are: The imposition of unfair trading conditions; circumvention of the law; and discrimination (i.e. because of…

> discrimination (i.e. because of its unilateral policy of zero renumeration for all publishers)

Umm ianal but isn't saying all publishers don't get paid the opposite of discrimination?

If they said some American companies get paid but not french etc I would totally get it.

Re: France rules Google must pay news firms for content

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Post by vntok »

blondin wrote: post #20
Sujan wrote: post #2

I wish Google would finally go with the kneejerk reaction of just unlisting all these sites from Google Search and News.

not sure i follow... this is about showing a snippet of a news article at the top of search result right? similar to pulling youtube videos, wikipedia articles, or stackoverflow answers and showing them at the top of your search result. i mean, sometimes, i don't even leave the search result page because i get my answer right there. heck, i don't even leave my address bar nowadays when using chrome! news publications…

But Google doesn't need to support them.

Re: France rules Google must pay news firms for content

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Post by blendergeek »

blondin wrote: post #20
Sujan wrote: post #2

I wish Google would finally go with the kneejerk reaction of just unlisting all these sites from Google Search and News.

not sure i follow... this is about showing a snippet of a news article at the top of search result right? similar to pulling youtube videos, wikipedia articles, or stackoverflow answers and showing them at the top of your search result. i mean, sometimes, i don't even leave the search result page because i get my answer right there. heck, i don't even leave my address bar nowadays when using chrome! news publications…

Well, there are no ads in Google News. So, Google just will share their other revenue with news agencies?

Re: France rules Google must pay news firms for content

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Post by CPLX »

joejerryronnie wrote: post #16
jimmaswell wrote: post #4

Europe's not going to stop until the internet is totally burned to the ground, are they?

Correct. Europe’s main concern is regaining the power and influence they once held a couple centuries ago. These rulings are not really about tech business practices or consumer rights. You see the same thing playing out in the US with the east coast establishment (politics and media) fighting back against the power shift west.

Good. Intense concentrations of power are a problem, by definition.

We did literally base the US system of government on this concept.

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Post by flyinghamster »

blakesterz wrote: post #5

I think this is the actual judgement? https://www.autoritedelaconcurrence.fr/fr/communiques-de-pre... This techcrunch post has more details than Reuters: https://techcrunch.com/2020/04/09/frances-competition-watchd... Abusive practices the agency says it suspects Google of at this stage of its investigation are: The imposition of unfair trading conditions; circumvention of the law; and discrimination (i.e. because of…

> discrimination (i.e. because of its unilateral policy of zero renumeration for all publishers)

That's a novel take on the word "discrimination." They must be taking lessons from American corporations and politicians.

Re: France rules Google must pay news firms for content

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Post by _8j50 »

Sujan wrote: post #2

I wish Google would finally go with the kneejerk reaction of just unlisting all these sites from Google Search and News.

Why? Google derives value from news site's content. Advertisers pay google for clicks,if google treated news sites the same as any other site there would be no problem but google is adding additional value to their own product at the expense of news sites without additonal compensation.

You seem to think it is a priviledge to be listed on google, I disagree, it is a priviledge for google to be allowed to conduct business, one that comes with a long list of conditions including fair business practice,paying taxes, hiring fairly,etc...

Re: France rules Google must pay news firms for content

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Post by Marsymars »

trekrich wrote: post #10
Sujan wrote: post #2

I wish Google would finally go with the kneejerk reaction of just unlisting all these sites from Google Search and News.

They should, and when they come back asking for it all to be undone they should say no. Let them swim for a little bit so france does not try this again. This was tried in spain, and quickly reversed.

> This was tried in spain, and quickly reversed.

No it wasn't, Google News is still not available in Spain.

Re: France rules Google must pay news firms for content

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Post by izacus »

_8j50 wrote: post #26
Sujan wrote: post #2

I wish Google would finally go with the kneejerk reaction of just unlisting all these sites from Google Search and News.

Why? Google derives value from news site's content. Advertisers pay google for clicks,if google treated news sites the same as any other site there would be no problem but google is adding additional value to their own product at the expense of news sites without additonal compensation. You seem to think it is a priviledge to be listed on google, I disagree, it is a priviledge for google to be allowed to conduct busi…

> Why? Google derives value from news site's content. Advertisers pay google for clicks,if google treated news sites the same as any other site there would be no problem but google is adding additional value to their own product at the expense of news sites without additonal compensation.

Hmm, sorry, this makes no sense - in this context the only possible advertisers are the news companies themselves (this is how you add your Ad to Google) and they want to be paid for this listing, not the other way around. Can you explain more how does Google derive value from these news articles?

Re: France rules Google must pay news firms for content

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Post by smogcutter »

I get that HN hates journalists, but other than that I don’t see why people are on google’s side here. Is it about personal convenience?

If you want to scrape someone else’s work and display it next to your own ads, it doesn’t seem crazy to ask you to pay up.

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