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France rules Google must pay news firms for content

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Re: France rules Google must pay news firms for content

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I wish Google would finally go with the kneejerk reaction of just unlisting all these sites from Google Search and News.

I agree, pull the plug on them. Let’s see what they say then. I can’t imagine them forcing Google to list them but also pay them. Let’s see how organic traffic works for them.

Bad for users in the meantime.

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I wish Google would finally go with the kneejerk reaction of just unlisting all these sites from Google Search and News.

that's exactly what they did last year when the law came into force. Then newspapers could fill a form begging Google to accept their content for free, which most of them did.

I don't know what this post refers to, haven't had time to check yet.

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I wish Google would finally go with the kneejerk reaction of just unlisting all these sites from Google Search and News.

that's exactly what they did last year when the law came into force. Then newspapers could fill a form begging Google to accept their content for free, which most of them did. I don't know what this post refers to, haven't had time to check yet.

Essentially France has now said refusing to list sites unless they grant the right to do it for free is illegal. Because the only reason Google has the power to demand free access is their monopoly.

They have demanded Google negotiate a fair price for the ability to display the news snippets.

Re: France rules Google must pay news firms for content

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Europe's not going to stop until the internet is totally burned to the ground, are they?

Seems to me the EU and GDPR-like legislation is saving the internet from the cancer of corporate control, particularly American Big Data like Google and Facebook.

The latter are the ones burning the internet down with their walled gardens.

Re: France rules Google must pay news firms for content

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Europe's not going to stop until the internet is totally burned to the ground, are they?

Correct. Europe’s main concern is regaining the power and influence they once held a couple centuries ago. These rulings are not really about tech business practices or consumer rights. You see the same thing playing out in the US with the east coast establishment (politics and media) fighting back against the power shift west.

Re: France rules Google must pay news firms for content

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I wish Google would finally go with the kneejerk reaction of just unlisting all these sites from Google Search and News.

Essentially France has said Google, being a monopoly, is not allowed to refuse to provide this service. They must do it, they must pay for it.

> France has said Google, being a monopoly, is not allowed to refuse to provide this service

If it’s not providing the service, it’s no longer a monopoly.

Assuming this will survive European appeal, which I don’t, one could yank all resources and cap e.g. bandwidth to Google News France. The aim isn’t to cripple the product. It’s to limit costs on a statutorily lossmaking product.

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

that's exactly what they did last year when the law came into force. Then newspapers could fill a form begging Google to accept their content for free, which most of them did. I don't know what this post refers to, haven't had time to check yet.

Essentially France has now said refusing to list sites unless they grant the right to do it for free is illegal. Because the only reason Google has the power to demand free access is their monopoly. They have demanded Google negotiate a fair price for the ability to display the news snippets.

Given that the "fair price" is 0, that shouldn't make a lot of difference,

Re: France rules Google must pay news firms for content

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I wish Google would finally go with the kneejerk reaction of just unlisting all these sites from Google Search and News.

not sure i follow... this is about showing a snippet of a news article at the top of search result right? similar to pulling youtube videos, wikipedia articles, or stackoverflow answers and showing them at the top of your search result.

i mean, sometimes, i don't even leave the search result page because i get my answer right there. heck, i don't even leave my address bar nowadays when using chrome!

news publications seems to be struggling and if google needs to support them then why not give them a little of the ads money?

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