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Re: A (possible) solution to Covid-19

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8 and red. Most people don't invert the logic and realize that there is no claim that an odd number can't have a red back. I think confirmation bias accounts for missing the brown.

Do you mean 8 and brown?

> most commonly guessed incorrect solution

Re: A (possible) solution to Covid-19

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Is there a guarantee it would not associate with other viruses (possibly other strains, or even something worse?)

And the lack of testing to "save time" actually does not look like a good idea for a live virus you want to give to the whole earth.

Re: A (possible) solution to Covid-19

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I'm not qualified to assess the risk, but if the there's indeed ADE (antibody dependent enhancement),[1][2] people once infected with a milder strain may suffer from more severe symptom from the deadlier strains, thus killing more people in the end. I'm wondering how we may rule out this worst case scenario. [1] Is COVID-19 receiving ADE from other coronaviruses? https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S128…

ADE is more a problem for the vaccine approaches. It is one reason we may never have a vaccine for this disease. Hard to rule out worst case scenarios, we just have to work with what we have and make hard choices.

Maybe in this context, making a "hard choice" is accepting that something like 0.3% of the world population dies? Historically we saw worse and recovered, while trying to engineer something with no guarantee it won't be massively worse, using an unprecedented and more or less unstoppable strategy, might not be the most prudent thing to do. Looks like a good movie plot though.

Re: A (possible) solution to Covid-19

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Bingo! Take away Roddenberry's vision of a better future and you've got Babylon 5, eh? Like I mentioned in a sib comment, it turns out that this was a tension going right back to the original series. It's hard to write! (You like the Klingons? To me they seemed derivative of (LotR) Orcs but I haven't spent time to really know.) > I miss that, because (with the possible exception of the Orville) there's nothing like t…

> Take away Roddenberry's vision of a better future and you've got Babylon 5, eh? I'd wish! I find B5 to be great in a different way than Star Trek. It has one of the deepest and most interesting stories I've ever seen explored in sci-fi on the screen. I wish there was another show like this. Alas, it seems that if you take away a vision for a better future, the shows you get today are cookie-cutter action flicks. Th…

In re: B5, I've a confession to make. I never watched it. I've seen a few episodes, of course, but I was homeless at the time it ran and I've just never gotten around to it since. I should probably go order the DVD set right now, eh? I know a teeny bit about the story and characters, and I've heard that it was written as a single super-arc, which sounds awesome.

Those Klingons sound more interesting than what I was afraid they were like.

> My additional complaint is the pressure put on inter-character drama and general "character development". As I often repeat, if I wanted to watch the deep emotional struggles of people and their relationships, I'd pick literally any other literal/movie genre. Sci-fi (and to some extent fantasy) is unique, because it can get away with extensive world building and exploring ideas that are hard to explore otherwise. It serves as a real-life holodeck simulation. And I'd prefer my sci-fi to focus on that.

I couldn't have put it better myself. So much this. And I find it doubly exasperating because there's so much written science-fiction to draw on, going back decades! Where is the movie/mini-series of "Moon is a Harsh Mistress"? ...oh! https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Moon_Is_a_Harsh_Mistress#F...

> In 2015, it was announced that Bryan Singer was attached to direct a film adaptation, entitled Uprising, in development at 20th Century Fox.

I wonder if that's still happening?

I think "The Legacy of Heorot" would work really well as a movie.

I know it's kind of a cliche (and more work than it seems) but I kind really want to start a sci-fi production house... just a little one. Y'know? Specializing in hard sci-fi mostly, but not neglecting the other, uh, dimensions worth exploring.

Re: A (possible) solution to Covid-19

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I'm late to the comment party but I wanted to say our hope might just be better treatment (and not a vaccine). Covid-19 doesn't have to fatal as long as hospitals _don't_ use their standard protocol. Here's what I mean: https://www.evms.edu/media/evms_public/departments/internal_...

There is a large percentage of the world’s population that can’t access any hospital, let alone get treatment.

Does this treatment you can't get include vaccinations? I'm not sure what you're getting at. Anyway, hydroxychloroquine is on the list of World Health Organization Model List of Essential Medicines.[0] It's a widely available drug that can be found even in remote parts of Africa and India where malaria is prevalent. [0]https://apps.who.int/iris/bitstream/handle/10665/325771/WHO-...

Re: A (possible) solution to Covid-19

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Yeah, sorry, I went for name recognition rather than accuracy or precision. You make very good points.

Fair, and thank you! Fwiw, I'd have aimed the shot at the 2003 Battlestar Galactica instead, where it is very much deserved. Wild that Ronald Moore, who wrote so much of what's best in TNG, could also produce something that's so grim for the sake of grimness...

Cheers! I want to add that I'm impressed by the depth and breadth of your lore. :-)

BG is better, yeah, but having thought about it I should have said Andromeda! :-D

Re: A (possible) solution to Covid-19

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But you do seem to be suggesting that "people spreading it around on their own" is a "solution to Covid-19"? Otherwise, what is your plan for this attenuated strain? Don't get me wrong, I think large scale sequencing or COVID19 is interesting. But think that attempting to spread a attenuated strain without regulatory approval is probably a very bad idea.

Unregulated spread by individuals is a solution, just not the one I think would be implemented if such a strain were found. I think it much more likely that the regulatory agency would quickly approve the use of the strain on the basis of the epidemiological data gathered in the process of finding it.

Daniel, can you please elaborate on this: "Unregulated spread by individuals is a solution" ? How do you envision it ? Virus is not an open source software, you cannot just "make your own copy" without a physical contact. :)

Re: A (possible) solution to Covid-19

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> In my opinion, this is a decision that allows for a far wider range of character development. This may be the core disagreement, I (and I'm guessing GP) don't like this decision. Star Trek was an unique word in sci-fi (at least on-screen sci-fi) because of that bright idealism, that utopia. "An imperfect Starfleet can employ a monstrous starship captain that murders to keep its secrets"[0], and done regularly, this…

> Star Trek was an unique word in sci-fi (at least on-screen sci-fi) because of that bright idealism, that utopia. What utopia? Outside of the crew of the Enterprise itself in TOS and TNG (most of the time, when not under malevolent outside influence, abd even then there are some exceptions), neither Starfleet, the Federation outside of Starfleet, nor the galaxy outside of the Federation (in roughly descending order…

> What utopia?

Well, they were working on it innit? The Federation was young (I'm talking about TOS here strictly) and working hard to prove itself to the galaxy. And they met people who were further along than themselves (like the Organians.)

But really, you've got to understand it in the context of the time it was made in. Kirk and Uhura kissing was a big deal https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kirk_and_Uhura%27s_kiss

Re: A (possible) solution to Covid-19

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ENT was pretty dark, too, you know. If we're not going to talk about "In the Pale Moonlight"'s argument that violating an ideal in a small way might be justifiable, if not respectable, to preserve it in the large, then can we talk about how Archer, in "Dear Doctor", refused to hand over the cure Phlox had developed for the Valakian plague, thus consigning an entire species to extinction, because the then-inchoate Pri…

I give ENT a pass because it my mind it works as "humanity halfway from now to TNG-era UFP". Taking baby steps both outwards and inwards. It was dark, particularly across the Xindi angle, but not that dark relative to everything else. I mean, it's like TNG was #EEE, ENT went down to #AAA, but everyone else (including post-ENT Trek) seems to be made at #555 or below. There's a gap, and I'd love if someone was making m…

> the curiosity of space, the exploration angle.

Yes!

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