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The leading cause of death in the US on Apr 6 was Covid-19

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Re: The leading cause of death in the US on Apr 6 was Covid-19

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Post by panpanna »

artemonster wrote: post #3

I don't understand how to deal with deniers anymore. I've tried sharing a lot of explanations/articles/videos to the "tis just a flu, bro" crowd from my friends and this convinced nobody. I guess showing even this fact/statistic would do nothing too. Is there a cure or a method to convert such dense crowd? (well, besides bashing their heads with something heavy)

Most of them already know this, they are just trolling you - despite this being a matter of life and death.

Please read the newspaper article about the crona-denying pastor who went to Florida, got infected and died. According to his son he very well knew the virus was not a hoax and his stand came from "being frustrated with the media pushing Corona with a political agenda" (not a verbatim quote but it's in the ballpark).

Re: The leading cause of death in the US on Apr 6 was Covid-19

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Post by iso1631 »

Murkin wrote: post #29

Since the other causes of death remain static in this chart, its hard to tell if Covid-19 are new cases or "take away from other causes" (and by what percentage). Would be interesting to see daily chart of Covid-19 deaths as % of total deaths and daily total deaths. PS. Extra points - number of deaths due to lockdowns (suicides, unaccessible healthcare, etc)

Indeed, this is the key question, what are the number of excess deaths compared with this time last year. Are mortality statistics available to that sort of granularity and speed (e.g. "number of deaths registered last week") for any country or region in the world?

If you die of heart failure and happen to be covid infected (which is likely given how widespread it is) do you go down as a covid death rather than a heart failure?

Re: The leading cause of death in the US on Apr 6 was Covid-19

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Post by MisterTea »

artemonster wrote: post #3

I don't understand how to deal with deniers anymore. I've tried sharing a lot of explanations/articles/videos to the "tis just a flu, bro" crowd from my friends and this convinced nobody. I guess showing even this fact/statistic would do nothing too. Is there a cure or a method to convert such dense crowd? (well, besides bashing their heads with something heavy)

> Is there a cure or a method to convert such dense crowd? (well, besides bashing their heads with something heavy)

It's not really the peoples fault, it's all the disinformation, bad reporting and incompetent governments. I work at a critical facility on a skeleton crew. I hide in my office, wear gloves out in the shop, and wash wash wash wash my hands. Though, at work most people have these impressions, all parroted from bad press and advice:

"you only need face masks if you are sick to prevent the spread."

"It's the flu, you can't avoid it."

"everyone is going to catch it eventually"

"you only need to worry if you're really old or have an underlying condition"

Re: The leading cause of death in the US on Apr 6 was Covid-19

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Post by [deleted] »

artemonster wrote: post #3

I don't understand how to deal with deniers anymore. I've tried sharing a lot of explanations/articles/videos to the "tis just a flu, bro" crowd from my friends and this convinced nobody. I guess showing even this fact/statistic would do nothing too. Is there a cure or a method to convert such dense crowd? (well, besides bashing their heads with something heavy)

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Re: The leading cause of death in the US on Apr 6 was Covid-19

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Post by iso1631 »

9nGQluzmnq3M wrote: post #4

From the disclaimer: COVID-19 data is the number of ACTUAL US deaths since March 15th, 2020 as reported on Worldometer against the backdrop of the EXTRAPOLATED DAILY number of deaths for top 15 causes of death in the US based on the latest (2018) data from the CDC.

And crucially ignores the reduction in deaths from heart failure, road traffic, etc. at this time

Re: The leading cause of death in the US on Apr 6 was Covid-19

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Post by _ph_ »

laszlokorte wrote: post #19
artemonster wrote: post #3

I don't understand how to deal with deniers anymore. I've tried sharing a lot of explanations/articles/videos to the "tis just a flu, bro" crowd from my friends and this convinced nobody. I guess showing even this fact/statistic would do nothing too. Is there a cure or a method to convert such dense crowd? (well, besides bashing their heads with something heavy)

I have no opinion on this but I have read multiple times now that currently if someone dies, say on Heart Disease, and has positively tested on Covid-19, that the death cause is counted as Covid-19. So depending on how many people are really already infected it would be currently kind of impossible to die of anything but Covid-19. Maybe that's all wrong but at least that's how the deniers argue I guess. Can someone r…

Heart attacks are a common consequence of the lack of oxygen, which is the consequence of failing lungs, be it by Covid-19 or COPD etc. So these things are closely linked.

Re: The leading cause of death in the US on Apr 6 was Covid-19

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Post by vrinstan »

panpanna wrote: post #39
FriendlyNormie wrote: post #27

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This belongs on r/conspiracy not HN. Also, I am surprised about the hatred Bill Gates is receiving (despite spending billions of his own money on fighting Corona and other diseases). Could someone please explain why?

Some people think Bill Gates is investing.

Re: The leading cause of death in the US on Apr 6 was Covid-19

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Post by bregma »

mc32 wrote: post #54
pjc50 wrote: post #48

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I don't think such a distinction can usefully be made? And we don't do it for other things. "Road traffic accident with diabetes"?

It could help develop a strategy and protocol for opening the economy if it mostly of greatly affects people with identifiable preëxisting conditions.

So, "they were going to die anyway." This just in: we're all going to die anyway.

When you're lying on your deathbed drowning in the effluvia of necrotic lung tissue at least you can rest easy in the knowledge that your humanity didn't count and you're just a statistic, but at least you helped a wealthy person avoid not making as much money as he could have.

Re: The leading cause of death in the US on Apr 6 was Covid-19

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Post by _-___________-_ »

DanBC wrote: post #21
s9w wrote: post #15

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A positive test is not even necessary to report them as Covid-19 deaths in the US. > Should “COVID-19” be reported on the death certificate only with a confirmed test? > COVID-19 should be reported on the death certificate for all decedents where the disease caused or is assumed to have caused or contributed to death. https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/nvss/coronavirus/Alert-2-New-I...

> A positive test is not even necessary to report them as Covid-19 deaths in the US. But this applies to other forms of death. We count flu deaths in the same way, so the data is equally skewed. > > > COVID-19 should be reported on the death certificate for all decedents where the disease caused or is assumed to have caused or contributed to death. People can only put it on the death certificate if they can make that…

> We count flu deaths in the same way, so the data is equally skewed.

We actually don't, because flu is not routinely tested for the way that COVID-19 currently is among suspected cases.

Re: The leading cause of death in the US on Apr 6 was Covid-19

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Post by madaxe_again »

yetihehe wrote: post #30
cfontes wrote: post #12

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My solution was to give up. I was stressing too much over it and it drives me insane people are so stubborn without any data to back their claims. If provided data they just wave it aside with a random argument and move immediately on to another topic within the subject criticizing something else, so you have to keep extremely sharp in all topics or they just swing from side to side until they find a topic you have n…

There are two sayings which sum up this situation rather well. > Arguing with stupid is like wrestling with pig in mud. After some time you see that pig seems to like it. > Arguing with stupid is like playing chess with a pigeon. It will topple figures, shit in board and be proud of winning. The problem is when their stupidity affects your life.

Also: “when you argue with an idiot, nobody can tell who is the idiot”.
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