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Re: Apple Faceshield

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Post by brodie »

alexbanks wrote: post #291
cameldrv wrote: post #280

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https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2190272/ Table 6. Wearing an N95 mask reduces your chance of contracting SARS by 91%. I apologize if my frustration comes through here, but the data is very clear and people are dying in the thousands because they're not protecting themselves.

It feels as though arguments will be received with claims of "mental gymnastics", so I will just point out the differences in use and function between a face shield and an N95 mask. You're free to try and purchase a face shield if you'd like. Best of luck.

I know you’re being facetious, but I certainly hope he does no such purchasing.

Re: Apple Faceshield

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Post by brodie »

cameldrv wrote: post #312
alexbanks wrote: post #291

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It feels as though arguments will be received with claims of "mental gymnastics", so I will just point out the differences in use and function between a face shield and an N95 mask. You're free to try and purchase a face shield if you'd like. Best of luck.

Your question was about the effectiveness of N95 masks. Hopefully I've resolved that for you. As for the effectiveness of face shields, I don't have data on that, I just said it was likely to be effective, since it blocks larger droplets from hitting your face or being inhaled. There's no luck involved, I purchased a face shield almost two months ago, although I usually just wear mask+goggles, gloves if necessary whe…

Speculation doesn’t make you right. “Likely to” counts for not much.

It’s sad you made that purchase. I wonder if that deprived a doctor or nurse of one. If they died, you’ve essentially condemned them to that. Is your own selfish neurosis worth that?

Re: Apple Faceshield

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Post by brodie »

cameldrv wrote: post #212
kevinmgranger wrote: post #199

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If time was of the essence for car production and we needed to decide if ambulances or regular cars get seatbelts first, then yes, we'd give them to ambulances.

I'm not suggesting that priority should not be given to HCWs or other high risk people like grocery store employees, but at $2 each, this is something everyone should be wearing as soon as we have enough of 'em.

That this article was written shows clearly that we don’t have enough of them and that any non-medical professional buying them is only contributing to the population of ill and the dead.

Re: Apple Faceshield

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Post by brodie »

jjallen wrote: post #276
woofie11 wrote: post #20

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I was hoping everyone in the US might be able to buy one. Ideally, they'd be cheap enough for municipalities to buy and distribute.

Woofie11 expresses hope that everyone should be able to have a shield, not just health care workers first and people here down vote them? What's so wrong with that? Do you not believe that yes, everyone should be able to have protective equipment not just health care workers? In what kind of a country do we live where we have to ration health care supplies (a basic one at that -- it's literally clear plastic) to only…

Face shields aren’t protective in this context for the general public. No one is intubating coughing patients or working in messy medical situations unless they’re medical professionals. It isn’t sad that hypochondriacs might not have access to them. It’s reality that infinite instant supplies don’t exist. You aren’t entitled to have whatever you want. Especially when you’d be depriving medical professionals safety and life.

Re: Apple Faceshield

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Post by nineteen999 »

simonh wrote: post #539
bosswipe wrote: post #523

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If it's only for that narrow use case then a million per week seems excessive and unnecessary.

There are about a million infected individuals right now, and climbing, and each hospitalised patient in ITU may need these procedures several times a day. An ITU team performing the procedure might consist of 2 to 4 people and the shields should be discarded every time. The number of patients is also rising rapidly, so demand is very high. When you see doctors and nurses in full scrubs with face shields doing their…

> and the shields should be discarded every time

Maybe I'm missing something, but the page literally has a section titled "Clean and reuse your face shield" and lists the chemicals that should be used to clean it.

Re: Apple Faceshield

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Post by brodie »

ricardobeat wrote: post #338
celticninja wrote: post #245

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this sort of face shield is useful in clinical situations where the wearer is protected from patients who may cough or sneeze right in their face. for going to the shop what you need is an N95 or just mouth/nose covering mask/scarf.

Might be useful for the shop clerk though, who is seeing a hundred people in a row.

Plenty of essential public areas are building plastic drapes. That’s effectively the same thing but likely cheaper and not depriving medical professionals of anything.

Re: Apple Faceshield

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Post by brodie »

nsxwolf wrote: post #55
ForHackernews wrote: post #26

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Why? Most ordinary non-healthcare-worker people have no need for this level of PPE, especially if they're following social distances rules like they should be.

I can't control what other people do in grocery stores. They walk too close and there's nothing I can do about it. I'd like something to keep shit out of my eyes.

If you got something directed at your eyes, you’ll be inhaling something anyway. Wear glasses or shades and stop depriving hospitals of limited supplies they actually need. You don’t need it. Buying one is tantamount to endangering lives of hospital workers.

Re: Apple Faceshield

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Post by brodie »

samatman wrote: post #385
andy_ppp wrote: post #184

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Ah sorry my comment is ambiguous; I’m saying I 100% prefer butterfly keys over the new 16 inch keyboard. I’m sure I’ll get used to it though.

You're not alone, I had a mostly-broken left command key for the better part of a year so I despise the butterfly keys. Nonetheless, when I switched to a 16 inch it felt mushy and weird, and that's with almost a decade using the previous scissor keyboards, which feel effectively identical. I got used to it pretty quick though, and you couldn't pay me to go back.

So you like the new one then? I ordered a maxed out MBA and am curious to try it out. I’ve only used the original design.

Re: Apple Faceshield

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Post by brodie »

ChristianBundy wrote: post #314
gambler wrote: post #279

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>It's really hard to breathe through food wrap and it doesn't cling to hair well. You wrap it around the top of your head (forehead level), so it sticks to itself. You keeps the bottom part loose, so it doesn't restrict breathing. It works.

I think there's a pre-assembled version of this, it's called "a plastic bag", and most people know not to stick their head in one. Please don't encourage dangerous behavior.

Covering your eyes with a clear film is dangerous? Do you regularly suffocate on your glasses or shades?

Re: Apple Faceshield

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Post by Arn_Thor »

bosswipe wrote: post #525

I don't understand why Apple telling Chinese factories to build PPE is helpful. There's massive worldwide demand for this stuff, the factories don't need apple's help to figure that out.

Depends. Imagine you're an Apple supplier. You're making money hand over fist, but to become a supplier to Apple you had to retool your entire factory floor, retrain a bunch of employees and basically sink a lot of capital into meeting the strict requirements. So you don't want to lose that contract. And you've probably had to sign some sort of exclusivity agreement for the privilege. I seem to recall that's not uncommon. So Apple's permission to manufacture other stuff is pretty helpful.
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