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Hydroxychloroquine Update for April 6

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Re: Hydroxychloroquine Update for April 6

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In the left corner we have Derek Lowe, who's not a doctor. In the right corner we have the Yale School of Medicine which recommends HCQ for both the mild and severely ill patients: https://files-profile.medicine.yale.edu/documents/7801c631-3... Let's see who will win.

That Yale flowchat is basically "throw whatever we can at the patient and hope that something works". It's not a considered plan of treatment that has been thrashed out over years of trials and experiments.

Re: Hydroxychloroquine Update for April 6

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post #84

In the left corner we have Derek Lowe, who's not a doctor. In the right corner we have the Yale School of Medicine which recommends HCQ for both the mild and severely ill patients: https://files-profile.medicine.yale.edu/documents/7801c631-3... Let's see who will win.

That Yale flowchat is basically "throw whatever we can at the patient and hope that something works". It's not a considered plan of treatment that has been thrashed out over years of trials and experiments.

As opposed to Derek Lowe's "considered plan of treatment"?

Re: Hydroxychloroquine Update for April 6

#93

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500mg of Tylenol daily poses a risk of liver damage?

Listed contra-indications for tylenol include: caloric undernutrition acute liver failure liver problems severe renal impairment a condition where the body is unable to maintain adequate blood flow called shock acetaminophen overdose acute inflammation of the liver due to hepatitis C virus Obviously doctors are experts and will make the right decision based on risks and advantages, but tylenol is a poor choice of exa…

But would Tylenol at 500mg daily be a good choice? That's what parent was giving as an example, not your overdose contra-indications.

Re: Hydroxychloroquine Update for April 6

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Why are we talking about drugs in the public media? This is like people demanding certain drugs from their doctors because they saw it in pharmaceutical commercial.

Because it's actively being pushed by right-wing media and the President. We have a Presidential election in November. And there is a proven, strong correlation between the strength of the economy and your chance of being elected. You can't have a strong economy and people feeling happy when they are stuck at home without a job and fearful of leaving the house. So they need to get people back to work. And the only wa…

The original research paper circulating on Hydroxychloroquine was from Tom Broker. He was a student of my good friend's father at Wesleyan University.

Re: Hydroxychloroquine Update for April 6

#95
post #83

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What symptoms from it do you have? I can only stand it at night.

Like drinking a double sized energy drink. If I take it at night, I will toss and turn all night. Also a lot of vivid dreams.

>> a lot of vivid dreams

Remarkably, zinc sports supplement ZMA has the same side effect.

Re: Hydroxychloroquine Update for April 6

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Because it's actively being pushed by right-wing media and the President. We have a Presidential election in November. And there is a proven, strong correlation between the strength of the economy and your chance of being elected. You can't have a strong economy and people feeling happy when they are stuck at home without a job and fearful of leaving the house. So they need to get people back to work. And the only wa…

That might work if the election was say, within the next 15 to 30 days. Trying to scam the general population into believing that an unproven drug is some kind of "magic" cure is an awfully bold and risky move 7 months from an election, especially before a potentially staggering number of deaths has been realized.

They'll spin the eventual deaths as inevitable and brag about how it wasn't 2x worse.

Watch them.

Re: Hydroxychloroquine Update for April 6

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post #42

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> I think we can all intuitively see the distinction in risk tolerance between table salt consumption and HCQ consumption. Good thing we have doctors that can decide the best course of treatment via HCQ then.

> Good thing we have doctors that can decide the best course of treatment via HCQ then. Except in New York.

Asked about the progress of the trials at his daily press briefing, Cuomo noted that state officials have allowed use of the drug hydroxychloroquine in combination with the antibiotic Zithromax in hospitals “at their discretion.” He said the federal government would increase supplies to New York pharmacies, but that New York has imposed a 14-day limit to protect the supplies for people who rely on it to treat other medical conditions. [1]

It would suck to be one of the 200+ people dying daily [2] who didn't have a chance to try this combination to save their life because of a 14 day limit.

1. https://thehill.com/homenews/state-watch/491358-cuomo-use-of...

2. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=22805612 and https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=22787800

Re: Hydroxychloroquine Update for April 6

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post #92

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That Yale flowchat is basically "throw whatever we can at the patient and hope that something works". It's not a considered plan of treatment that has been thrashed out over years of trials and experiments.

As opposed to Derek Lowe's "considered plan of treatment"?

As opposed to his decades of work in pharmaceutical-related areas of organic biochemistry, yeah.

Re: Hydroxychloroquine Update for April 6

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post #92

Earlier quoted context omitted.

As opposed to Derek Lowe's "considered plan of treatment"?

As opposed to his decades of work in pharmaceutical-related areas of organic biochemistry, yeah.

None of which was in the proximity of an actual living, breathing patient.
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