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Re: Theia: Cloud and Desktop IDE

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Post by ianwalter » Mon, Apr 06, 2020, 4:57 PM UTC

fock wrote: post #101

ken wrote: post #76

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> Eclipse has been around forever, and is going nowhere. That's true of everything, right up until the day it's gone. I heard the same thing about Borland. And Perl, Fortran, 1-2-3, Netware, Lycos, Blackberry, ... The history of computers is littered with brands which were once impossibly dominant, and now just a footnote.

In my research field, about 80% of the software is Fortran. Actively developed Fortran. I wouldn't really compare it with 1-2-3/other DOS-apps or blackberry which are basically the software equivalent of consumables.

Is your research publicly available?

Re: Theia: Cloud and Desktop IDE

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Post by michaelmrose » Mon, Apr 06, 2020, 4:59 PM UTC

bb101 wrote: post #18

Contributors and adopters: Whilst it's healthy to have competition, I'm not sure a rip-off of VS Code is in the spirit of open source. Did they try to work with the team at Microsoft to improve VS Code before forking it?

Creating a derivative work isn't termed a "rip off" in open source its an expected use case. You don't have to work with someone before making your own work derivative of theirs. If it comes to pass that your work directly competes with theirs for developers or users you just have to convince potential users and developers that they ought to use yours instead same as any other competing entity in a free market.

For example I'm pretty sure Ford doesn't consult with Toyota before they introduce a new model.

Re: Theia: Cloud and Desktop IDE

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Post by aidenn0 » Mon, Apr 06, 2020, 4:59 PM UTC

725686 wrote: post #125

jtdev wrote: post #54

Theia developers: The Eclipse brand in the IDE/code editor world is toxic to many developers; You may want to disassociate Theia from Eclipse if you’re hoping for wide usage or pulling devs away from VS Code.

What are you talking about. Just because a bunch of hipsters dislike Eclipse doesn't mean everyone does. Eclipse rocks.

I turn 40 soon and am about as far away from a hipster as you can get, but I have only negative associations with eclipse.

Re: Theia: Cloud and Desktop IDE

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Post by willberman » Mon, Apr 06, 2020, 4:59 PM UTC

rubyn00bie wrote: post #136

core-questions wrote: post #119

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> I think many people are missing the point that this doesn't appear to be a finished product ready for developers to use. It's absolutely a finished product, GitPod is the commercially available (and white-label-able) version, people are productively using this today, including using VSCode addons and writing their own. > "Why would anyone switch to this from VSCode" Imagine preparing a Docker image of everything re…

You ever see one VIM or Emacs user try to use someone else’s setup? I’d be shocked if there were any productivity gains... this seems like something that managers want to say but is disconnected from reality.

I made the mistake of recommending standardization of development tooling at one point. Not one of my finer moments.

Re: Theia: Cloud and Desktop IDE

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Post by ryl00 » Mon, Apr 06, 2020, 5:09 PM UTC

markstos wrote: post #133

fock wrote: post #101

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In my research field, about 80% of the software is Fortran. Actively developed Fortran. I wouldn't really compare it with 1-2-3/other DOS-apps or blackberry which are basically the software equivalent of consumables.

Fortran is no longer dominant.

Neither is it a "footnote", especially in its strongest domain, numerical computation.

Re: Theia: Cloud and Desktop IDE

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Post by tempodox » Mon, Apr 06, 2020, 5:10 PM UTC

markstos wrote: post #133

fock wrote: post #101

Earlier quoted context omitted.

In my research field, about 80% of the software is Fortran. Actively developed Fortran. I wouldn't really compare it with 1-2-3/other DOS-apps or blackberry which are basically the software equivalent of consumables.

Fortran is no longer dominant.

That obviously depends on the field.

Re: Theia: Cloud and Desktop IDE

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Post by therealdrag0 » Mon, Apr 06, 2020, 5:11 PM UTC

andybak wrote: post #70

jankeromnes wrote: post #68

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But the Eclipse Foundation is a pretty good place to develop vendor-neutral open-source software, kind of like the Linux Foundation. There are many great open-source projects under the Eclipse Foundation umbrella, and anyone is free to use them; contribute to them; build businesses on them; etc.

Yes but when someone mentions Eclipse all I can think of is that huge, slow, bloated, ugly IDE I was happy to flee from many years ago.

IntelliJ is prettier, but just as bloated. Buch of that bloat is just features. I've used both for years and thought both were good with different strengths/weaknesses.

Re: Theia: Cloud and Desktop IDE

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Post by therealdrag0 » Mon, Apr 06, 2020, 5:12 PM UTC

gowld wrote: post #72

andybak wrote: post #70

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Yes but when someone mentions Eclipse all I can think of is that huge, slow, bloated, ugly IDE I was happy to flee from many years ago.

That's fine. They want people who appreciate Eclipse during these early stages, and young people who haven't used Eclipse before don't have preconceived notions.

Yep, in my university everyone used Eclipse. Shrug.

Re: Theia: Cloud and Desktop IDE

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Post by tempodox » Mon, Apr 06, 2020, 5:13 PM UTC

sigzero wrote: post #81

timw4mail wrote: post #63

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Slow, memory hogging, and not that useful.

I don't find the latest Intellij any faster. I currently have the latest of both installed.

No soap, both are built in Java.

Re: Theia: Cloud and Desktop IDE

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Post by [deleted] » Mon, Apr 06, 2020, 5:17 PM UTC

ken wrote: post #76

sam_goody wrote: post #61

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Eclipse is known for being clunky, but at least it is _known_. It is also trusted. When I wrote my first Android app, it was the only practical way to write and test. Not sure if that has since changed (am no longer doing apps), but my guess is that a lot of people have Eclipse on their system. There is a saying that even negative publicity is still publicity. The most important thing that Theia needs to convince wou…

> Eclipse has been around forever, and is going nowhere. That's true of everything, right up until the day it's gone. I heard the same thing about Borland. And Perl, Fortran, 1-2-3, Netware, Lycos, Blackberry, ... The history of computers is littered with brands which were once impossibly dominant, and now just a footnote.

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