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Re: Theia: Cloud and Desktop IDE

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I think many people are missing the point that this doesn't appear to be a finished product ready for developers to use. It looks like Eclipse's goal is to make a foundation that others can customize for their purposes, building off of what VSCode has already done.

That's not to say this is a good idea or not, but I think all the comments asking "Why would anyone switch to this from VSCode" are missing the point.

Re: Theia: Cloud and Desktop IDE

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post #28

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What would you expect from a cloud editor? FYI, Visual Studio Code is an Electron app. And it's very performant.

It's performant because it's sucking your resources dry with a massive memory footprint, which is possible thanks to virtual memory. Doesn't mean it's ideal.

Your browser using just as much, if not more than VS code does so try again. Nowadays an IDE using 1 gig of ram isn't that horrible when it saves you tons of development time with it's tooling.

Re: Theia: Cloud and Desktop IDE

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Theia developers: The Eclipse brand in the IDE/code editor world is toxic to many developers; You may want to disassociate Theia from Eclipse if you’re hoping for wide usage or pulling devs away from VS Code.

Re: Theia: Cloud and Desktop IDE

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post #54

Theia developers: The Eclipse brand in the IDE/code editor world is toxic to many developers; You may want to disassociate Theia from Eclipse if you’re hoping for wide usage or pulling devs away from VS Code.

Genuinely curious here, how can an IDE be toxic? I haven't heard any such thing before.

Re: Theia: Cloud and Desktop IDE

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post #47
post #18

Contributors and adopters: Whilst it's healthy to have competition, I'm not sure a rip-off of VS Code is in the spirit of open source. Did they try to work with the team at Microsoft to improve VS Code before forking it?

> Did they try to work with the team at Microsoft to improve VS Code before forking it? As an open source project maintainer, I don't think it's necessary or easy to do that. Project teams and maintainers have different goals and sometimes it's much easier to fork and evolve without stepping on each other's toes. I'd even say that's the strength of open sourcing software under the right license.

In the FOSS world, forking is traditionally considered a hostile action. GitHub normalized the name of the action "fork", but it's not the same thing. GitHub forks are part of the plumbing of their Pull Request metaphor and are not true forks. As long as you're submitting upstream and pulling down, you haven't "forked" the tree.

Re: Theia: Cloud and Desktop IDE

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post #28

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What would you expect from a cloud editor? FYI, Visual Studio Code is an Electron app. And it's very performant.

It's performant because it's sucking your resources dry with a massive memory footprint, which is possible thanks to virtual memory. Doesn't mean it's ideal.

This is interesting to me. Do you care _why_ the apps you use are performant, if they already are? Is it noticeably impacting the performance of other apps you're actively using?

Re: Theia: Cloud and Desktop IDE

#58

I've used Eclipse on and off and always found it to be a bit clunky. Unhelpful error messages coming from the fifty layers of abstraction you did not know about before. Back in the days, I always preferred netbeans - it was just more of a product, less of an exercise in object-oriented abstractionism. Today, I am a happy user of vim (and vscode, if I need to) - I left behind the heaps of design patterns, thankfully.…

I don't understand your comment. What does the IDE Eclipse have to do with Eclipse Theia?

Re: Theia: Cloud and Desktop IDE

#59
post #54

Theia developers: The Eclipse brand in the IDE/code editor world is toxic to many developers; You may want to disassociate Theia from Eclipse if you’re hoping for wide usage or pulling devs away from VS Code.

Genuinely curious here, how can an IDE be toxic? I haven't heard any such thing before.

Any brand is toxic when the market deems your product overwhelmingly in a negative light.

Not saying that is or isn't the case wrt Eclipse.

Re: Theia: Cloud and Desktop IDE

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post #18

Contributors and adopters: Whilst it's healthy to have competition, I'm not sure a rip-off of VS Code is in the spirit of open source. Did they try to work with the team at Microsoft to improve VS Code before forking it?

One could argue if VScode is an open source project or not. But when copying an open source project, it's not called rip-off, it's called fork. The intentions of forks are to improve the software, try out new ideas, etc, and the original software can merge new features developed in the fork. Forks can however be "hostile" when the intentions are to rip-off the original creator by stealing users/sponsors and making the fork proprietary, which is a strategy used by some cough software businesses.
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