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Theia developers: The Eclipse brand in the IDE/code editor world is toxic to many developers; You may want to disassociate Theia from Eclipse if you’re hoping for wide usage or pulling devs away from VS Code.
IME what adds to the bloat is all the poorly-written and/or neglected plugins users seem to want to install.
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> Eclipse has been around forever, and is going nowhere. That's true of everything, right up until the day it's gone. I heard the same thing about Borland. And Perl, Fortran, 1-2-3, Netware, Lycos, Blackberry, ... The history of computers is littered with brands which were once impossibly dominant, and now just a footnote.
In my research field, about 80% of the software is Fortran. Actively developed Fortran. I wouldn't really compare it with 1-2-3/other DOS-apps or blackberry which are basically the software equivalent of consumables.
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My day job is TypeScript all day long, so like all but one quintillionth of one percent of TypeScript developers, I use VS Code all day long, too. I'm extremely happy with its development, too; I think the team behind it has done as good a job as I have personally ever seen of both a.) delivering consistent improvements that excite the daily users, and b.) running an open source project. Still, I absolutely think we…
I'm the local TS evangelist. Exactly no one I've seen who's tried WebStorm has switched back to VSCode. They consume all of the same LSP APIs that VSCode does from the LS, but they have all their IDE goodies as well.
Everything I need is on Ctrl+p or Ctrl+shift+p.
vscode is like sublime to me, just seems the language completion got useful.
Theia developers: The Eclipse brand in the IDE/code editor world is toxic to many developers; You may want to disassociate Theia from Eclipse if you’re hoping for wide usage or pulling devs away from VS Code.
Agree. When I read Eclipse, I thought "icky" and scrolled down to see if maybe JetBrains will turn it into something usable. Since they're not in the list, I'll pass on this. I'd rather rent a Windows Server so that I can remote desktop into IntelliJ than suffer through another IDE. The productivity boost that you can get from using a great tool that you are intimately familiar with is just way too much to sacrifice…
I think many people are missing the point that this doesn't appear to be a finished product ready for developers to use. It looks like Eclipse's goal is to make a foundation that others can customize for their purposes, building off of what VSCode has already done. That's not to say this is a good idea or not, but I think all the comments asking "Why would anyone switch to this from VSCode" are missing the point.
> I think many people are missing the point that this doesn't appear to be a finished product ready for developers to use. It's absolutely a finished product, GitPod is the commercially available (and white-label-able) version, people are productively using this today, including using VSCode addons and writing their own. > "Why would anyone switch to this from VSCode" Imagine preparing a Docker image of everything re…
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While I understand your point about “Eclipse”, as a long time open source web developer, macOS user who has had to work at times with Microsoft servers, I did not think the best of “Visual Studio” Now I spend much of my day in Visual Studio Code.
The difference is, Visual Studio is a world-class IDE produced by a company that sucks, while Eclipse sucks as an IDE.
Yeah, well, that's just, like, your opinion, man.
Theia developers: The Eclipse brand in the IDE/code editor world is toxic to many developers; You may want to disassociate Theia from Eclipse if you’re hoping for wide usage or pulling devs away from VS Code.
What are you talking about. Just because a bunch of hipsters dislike Eclipse doesn't mean everyone does. Eclipse rocks.
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While I understand your point about “Eclipse”, as a long time open source web developer, macOS user who has had to work at times with Microsoft servers, I did not think the best of “Visual Studio” Now I spend much of my day in Visual Studio Code.
I worked professionally with VS doing Windows app development in C++ and I found it super powerful, especially for handling our 20 years old gigantic codebase. I don't get the hate, and I spend most of my days in Emacs nowadays (doing more research-y coding). Yes, it's huge, but it's huge because it is full of powerful tools for developers.
It is just that I have always done a different style of coding for over 20 years. More focused on text editors (BBEdit, Sublime, VSCode, vi, etc) and supporting command line tools.
I have seen the power that my IDE colleagues have for their use cases.
But honestly, I think many of us text editor focused developers where very skeptical of Visual Studio Code due to its VS branding. For myself, I don’t see Eclipse’s brand any better or worse than Visual Studios.