Theia: Cloud and Desktop IDE • Hacker News Board

Re: Theia: Cloud and Desktop IDE

#111

Post by freehunter » Mon, Apr 06, 2020, 2:58 PM UTC

gowld wrote: post #78

bb101 wrote: post #18

Contributors and adopters: Whilst it's healthy to have competition, I'm not sure a rip-off of VS Code is in the spirit of open source. Did they try to work with the team at Microsoft to improve VS Code before forking it?

That's exactly the spirit of Free and Open Source. VS Code is welcome to backport anything they like

Exactly. “Fork it and compete” is as FOSS as you can get. Any time I complain about how some FOSS works, I’m constantly told that it’s open source and if I don’t like it I should fork it and fix it. That’s just how open source works.

Re: Theia: Cloud and Desktop IDE

#112

Post by anilgulecha » Mon, Apr 06, 2020, 3:00 PM UTC

songzme wrote: post #98

anilgulecha wrote: post #92

We use this in Hackerrank for workflows for frontend/backend candidates. Theia is a great web IDE, specially with it's LSP based autocomplete, and VSCode compatibility. You can try out this demo I put up: http://hr.gs/theia-demo When in the test, click on the top right: "Use the online Web-IDE" option to see it. It'll be open for 20 minute sessions for the next day. If you see an "cannot provision" error, it may be t…

Could you share a demo link where you are not forced to signup?

It's something I quickly put together to showcase what's possible with Theia, given we're actively using them. I'm not sure how to enable what you asked.

Youtube also has a few theia videos which could give you a similar idea on the experience.

Re: Theia: Cloud and Desktop IDE

#113

Post by tomppa » Mon, Apr 06, 2020, 3:00 PM UTC

VSCode finally runs on *BSD!

Re: Theia: Cloud and Desktop IDE

#114

Post by rlili » Mon, Apr 06, 2020, 3:05 PM UTC

I want to try switching to Theia from code-server, since it seems to offer a more polished web experience.

Unfortunately, I heavily rely on the VscodeVim extension, which doesn't work in Theia because it hasn't implemented some commands like "editorScroll" yet.

Re: Theia: Cloud and Desktop IDE

#115

Post by leejoramo » Mon, Apr 06, 2020, 3:18 PM UTC

jtdev wrote: post #54

Theia developers: The Eclipse brand in the IDE/code editor world is toxic to many developers; You may want to disassociate Theia from Eclipse if you’re hoping for wide usage or pulling devs away from VS Code.

While I understand your point about “Eclipse”, as a long time open source web developer, macOS user who has had to work at times with Microsoft servers, I did not think the best of “Visual Studio”

Now I spend much of my day in Visual Studio Code.

Re: Theia: Cloud and Desktop IDE

#116

Post by sdegutis » Mon, Apr 06, 2020, 3:22 PM UTC

leejoramo wrote: post #115

jtdev wrote: post #54

Theia developers: The Eclipse brand in the IDE/code editor world is toxic to many developers; You may want to disassociate Theia from Eclipse if you’re hoping for wide usage or pulling devs away from VS Code.

While I understand your point about “Eclipse”, as a long time open source web developer, macOS user who has had to work at times with Microsoft servers, I did not think the best of “Visual Studio” Now I spend much of my day in Visual Studio Code.

I was under the impression that VS is amazing and the best-of-the-best IDE as long as you're entirely working within the MS ecosystem and your employer is paying for all of it. I never heard anyone hating VS itself, just MS or perhaps M$.

Re: Theia: Cloud and Desktop IDE

#117

Post by wubin » Mon, Apr 06, 2020, 3:23 PM UTC

brainless wrote: post #39

Is it just me or did anyone else feel this was a VS Code on the web? The UI reminded me more of VS Code than Eclipse (from when I last used it).

Yes, it's actively encouraged by the Theia community to align the DX to VS Code: https://youtu.be/NLkQzx6rrnU?t=1040

Re: Theia: Cloud and Desktop IDE

#118

Post by Shywim » Mon, Apr 06, 2020, 3:24 PM UTC

gowld wrote: post #75

lecunn wrote: post #58

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't understand your comment. What does the IDE Eclipse have to do with Eclipse Theia?

People don't understand that one project can have more than one product.

The same confusion exists between Visual Studio and Visual Studio Code.

Also, Eclipse Theia could be the name of the last version of the Eclipse Java IDE since they named every major release of their IDE until recently.

Maybe they should have gone with Theia by Eclipse, or just drop the Eclipse in the name altogether.

Re: Theia: Cloud and Desktop IDE

#119

Post by core-questions » Mon, Apr 06, 2020, 3:31 PM UTC

garettmd wrote: post #51

I think many people are missing the point that this doesn't appear to be a finished product ready for developers to use. It looks like Eclipse's goal is to make a foundation that others can customize for their purposes, building off of what VSCode has already done. That's not to say this is a good idea or not, but I think all the comments asking "Why would anyone switch to this from VSCode" are missing the point.

> I think many people are missing the point that this doesn't appear to be a finished product ready for developers to use.

It's absolutely a finished product, GitPod is the commercially available (and white-label-able) version, people are productively using this today, including using VSCode addons and writing their own.

> "Why would anyone switch to this from VSCode"

Imagine preparing a Docker image of everything reasonably needed in your dev environment, and then giving your developers one click access to be totally set up with company-standard configuration. The IDE goes from wild-west everyone working their own way, to something that can be supported, where new devs can be brought up to speed in days instead of weeks, something with real consistency.

Re: Theia: Cloud and Desktop IDE

#120

Post by jefft255 » Mon, Apr 06, 2020, 3:31 PM UTC

leejoramo wrote: post #115

jtdev wrote: post #54

Theia developers: The Eclipse brand in the IDE/code editor world is toxic to many developers; You may want to disassociate Theia from Eclipse if you’re hoping for wide usage or pulling devs away from VS Code.

While I understand your point about “Eclipse”, as a long time open source web developer, macOS user who has had to work at times with Microsoft servers, I did not think the best of “Visual Studio” Now I spend much of my day in Visual Studio Code.

I worked professionally with VS doing Windows app development in C++ and I found it super powerful, especially for handling our 20 years old gigantic codebase. I don't get the hate, and I spend most of my days in Emacs nowadays (doing more research-y coding). Yes, it's huge, but it's huge because it is full of powerful tools for developers.