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Re: Theia: Cloud and Desktop IDE

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Post by fock »

ken wrote: post #76
sam_goody wrote: post #61

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Eclipse is known for being clunky, but at least it is _known_. It is also trusted. When I wrote my first Android app, it was the only practical way to write and test. Not sure if that has since changed (am no longer doing apps), but my guess is that a lot of people have Eclipse on their system. There is a saying that even negative publicity is still publicity. The most important thing that Theia needs to convince wou…

> Eclipse has been around forever, and is going nowhere. That's true of everything, right up until the day it's gone. I heard the same thing about Borland. And Perl, Fortran, 1-2-3, Netware, Lycos, Blackberry, ... The history of computers is littered with brands which were once impossibly dominant, and now just a footnote.

In my research field, about 80% of the software is Fortran. Actively developed Fortran. I wouldn't really compare it with 1-2-3/other DOS-apps or blackberry which are basically the software equivalent of consumables.

Re: Theia: Cloud and Desktop IDE

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Post by jagged-chisel »

cfv wrote: post #95

What is Theia better for than Visual Studio code or Atom or any other of this new trend of build-a-bear IDEs? I like Eclipse and the Eclipse foundation (hey, they rocked the whole IDE game back then, and make a decent one nowadays too), but I cannot understand where this particular project sits.

In the browser. That's where it sits. VSCode does not.

Re: Theia: Cloud and Desktop IDE

#105

Post by Kihashi »

Icathian wrote: post #55
jtdev wrote: post #54

Theia developers: The Eclipse brand in the IDE/code editor world is toxic to many developers; You may want to disassociate Theia from Eclipse if you’re hoping for wide usage or pulling devs away from VS Code.

Genuinely curious here, how can an IDE be toxic? I haven't heard any such thing before.

> how can an IDE be toxic

If people associate the IDE with negative emotions, which a lot of people have for eclipse, I'd say it's fair to call it toxic.

Re: Theia: Cloud and Desktop IDE

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Post by pjmlp »

DeathArrow wrote: post #69
sz4kerto wrote: post #11

I'd really loved this a few years ago; but now VS Code's "Remote" extension helps most of my issues. It's just brilliant that I can do e.g. embedded dev on a physical Linux box while running the IDE on Windows.

The only thing remaining to have a complete developer experience on Windows would be to convince Apple to allow building of iOS apps on other operating systems.

Apple already did clones once, it is never to happen again.

Re: Theia: Cloud and Desktop IDE

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Post by jtdev »

Icathian wrote: post #55
jtdev wrote: post #54

Theia developers: The Eclipse brand in the IDE/code editor world is toxic to many developers; You may want to disassociate Theia from Eclipse if you’re hoping for wide usage or pulling devs away from VS Code.

Genuinely curious here, how can an IDE be toxic? I haven't heard any such thing before.

If the IDE broadly reduces the efficiency of developers, and causes developers to waste time contorting their workflow to the IDEs poorly conceived approach to doing things - especially in relation to other IDEs... I'd say that's toxic for the Eclipse brand.

Re: Theia: Cloud and Desktop IDE

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Post by kls »

k__ wrote: post #84
jtdev wrote: post #54

Theia developers: The Eclipse brand in the IDE/code editor world is toxic to many developers; You may want to disassociate Theia from Eclipse if you’re hoping for wide usage or pulling devs away from VS Code.

I have to admit, my first impression wasn't positive. I thought this was an another attempt, after Eclipse Orion, to get that bloated beast into the modern world.

Will second this. Saw the name Eclipse and shortcut-ed to will stick with VS code.

Re: Theia: Cloud and Desktop IDE

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Post by jankeromnes »

jchw wrote: post #97
jankeromnes wrote: post #67

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You're 100% correct, Theia supports configuration via a .vscode/ directory, because that seems to be a "standard" way to configure your IDE. (Before you jump, yes it also supports EditorConfig). Also, Theia indeed uses the Monaco editor, and various other open-source components also found in VS Code. The developers of Theia and VS Code actually collaborate on these. And finally, Theia fully supports VS Code extension…

Thanks for showing me OpenVSX, I am now really invested in checking out Theia! Going to be a real game changer for me if I can self-host this, will try it out in Docker ASAP.

You're welcome! And yes, both Theia and OpenVSX can be self-hosted. Please report issues if something is unclear or doesn't seem to work.

Re: Theia: Cloud and Desktop IDE

#110

Post by haolez »

numbsafari wrote: post #96
haolez wrote: post #93

I've come to appreciate web IDEs a lot. It's nice to develop in an environment where every computer with a web browser can be used as your workstation. It restores the exact context that you left behind in your last session. And, since it's usually hosted in big cloud providers, you have absurdly fast internet connection. It's cozy. However, I'm still evaluating managed solutions, since I'm not so motivated anymore t…

>An alternative setup for a web IDE for vim or emacs users would be, in my opinion, an in-browser terminal hosted somewhere that gives you secure authentication and access to your server. A big plus is to implement it in such a way that the machine will turn on automatically when you access your site-terminal, and auto shutdown if it remains idle for a period of time. You basically just described cloud console in GCP…

Good to know! I've been willing to try using GCP more for my projects. Now I have yet another reason :)
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