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Re: Venezuelan ship sinks itself after ramming cruise liner with a reinforced hull

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> The US ought to invade Venezuela. Interesting coming from someone who claims to feel for the hardships of venezuelans. > Venezuelans are hungry and destitute due to the regime They are hungry because of crippling economic sanctions. > and the country's domestic turmoil Started by foreign desire for regime change. > It's truly disgusting the kind of inhumanity that Russia and Cuba have propped up in Venezuela. They…

You're shilling for a regime that has gutted engineers and experts out of PDVSA in favor of political allies with no industry knowledge, and then claiming that the US is responsible for the extreme poverty in Venezuela that predated US sanctions by years. Below, you are shilling for a Bolivian leader who introduced a new constitution with term limits, and then violated those term limits himself by claiming that he ha…

> You're shilling for a regime that has gutted engineers and experts out of PDVSA in favor of political allies with no industry knowledge

That's their right. It's their country. Lots of people are upset at Trump's choices. But that's our business and I certainly would take offense to people says we should be invaded over that.

> and then claiming that the US is responsible for the extreme poverty in Venezuela that predated US sanctions by years.

It's true. Economic sanctions and the efforts to destabilize venezuela is partly responsible for it. If sanctions were not effective, especially against smaller nations, we wouldn't be using it in the first place.

> Below, you are shilling for a Bolivian leader who introduced a new constitution with term limits, and then violated those term limits himself by claiming that he had a "human right" to run for reelection.

Merkel was elected 4 times. Should we invade germany? The bolivian leader got the term limit constitutionally changed. Every country has the right to do that. It is a right of every constitutional democracy. And he won the election by a wide margin. What is there to be upset about?

> Shame on you.

No. Shame on you for being anti-democratic and pushing for invasion of nations and advocating for the suffering of millions of people. Take a step back and look at what you wrote.

Let the venezuelans and bolivians work out their own problems? Why are you so set on invading and destroying these people? What's in it for you? Also, what happened to the throwaways attacking me?

Re: Venezuelan ship sinks itself after ramming cruise liner with a reinforced hull

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> Only a small part of the economic issues are caused by sanctions: Forbes is part of the pro-regime change crowd, just like the nytimes, washington post, etc. If sanctions are so neglible, then why bother with it? Let venezuela crumble on its own. Or maybe the fact that it wasn't crumbling was the reason to sanction/destabilize/destroy it? > Cuba went through the same but didn't turn out like that. Turn out like wha…

Please educate yourself. The vast majority of sanctions on Venezuelans have been directly related to individual elites and their companies. This has nothing to do with Forbes or NYT or WP or whatever other newspaper for which you may have a distaste. The reason that Venezuelans are starving is because the government has been confiscating private farmland for many years, since the time of Chavez. (I wonder what they a…

> The vast majority of sanctions on Venezuelans have been directly related to individual elites and their companies.

I know. Does it seem like I don't know that or how sanctions work. But since you also know, you know your comment is misleading. Any sanction on any official has economy wide repercussions. Trump could place a sanction on Norway's Minister of National Park's grandchild and destroy the Norwegian economy. Sanctions are like stink bombs, it make target one person, but it affect everyone around them. It's a message to every other nation to "stay away" by the only superpower on earth.

> Cuba is another example of an impoverished nation in Latin America that is propped up by Russia. Nicaragua is a third.

You mean nations targeted by the US for destabilization right? If it wasn't for US sanctions/invasions/etc, I suspect cuba and nicaragua would be much better off.

> I am commenting about Venezuela because the submission is a news article about Venezuela.

You are parroting the same pro-regime change propaganda that's all over social media. The exact same nonsense and its getting boring having to correct it.

There's one thing you wrote that I agree with - "I would rather live in Chile than in Nicaragua." So do it. Stop pushing for the invasion and destruction of nations just because you have a financial/political/etc stake.

If you don't like venezuela or bolivia, then don't go there. Why push for coups/invasions/etc which will lead to the deaths and suffering of millions? No country is perfect, let them work things out.

Re: Venezuelan ship sinks itself after ramming cruise liner with a reinforced hull

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> The EU and the US comprise several nations, so why does that not make sanctions "international"? For the same reason sanctions agreed on by Russia, China and North Korea (also a group comprising several nations) would not mean "international sanctions". Not that anyone would refer to that as such anyway, of course, because we easily recognize misleading propaganda when its used by the bad guys. > Conversely, are in…

"For the same reason sanctions agreed on by Russia, China and North Korea (also a group comprising several nations) would not mean "international sanctions"." You are saying that three nations are too few to be "international", and therefore nearly 30 must be too few also? My general rule of thumb is that an order of magnitude often makes a meaningful difference.

EU law applies to nearly 30 countries. Does that make it "international law"?

Re: Venezuelan ship sinks itself after ramming cruise liner with a reinforced hull

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aw I was hoping that was a video of it crashing. I heard about this; would love to see the video of it crashing off the end of the rail line.

Same here but a quick search on YouTube found plenty of other train crashes to satiate me

Not a crash, but don't miss this one of a locomotive being dropped. Oops.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OvyIrsZ7Zhs

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