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Venezuelan ship sinks itself after ramming cruise liner with a reinforced hull

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Re: Venezuelan ship sinks itself after ramming cruise liner with a reinforced hull

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post #23

This is insane. I can't imagine what was going through the Venezuelan captain's head trying to do this. It's one thing if the shooting is already started to defend yourself. But even if this stunt had worked, you're looking at many months of downtime while your ship is being repaired in drydock. Millions of dollars, and bigtime loss of capability for a small navy. Unless you are an icebreaker, you just don't intentio…

I wondered if the Captain let himself sink with the ship.

Re: Venezuelan ship sinks itself after ramming cruise liner with a reinforced hull

#32
post #23

This is insane. I can't imagine what was going through the Venezuelan captain's head trying to do this. It's one thing if the shooting is already started to defend yourself. But even if this stunt had worked, you're looking at many months of downtime while your ship is being repaired in drydock. Millions of dollars, and bigtime loss of capability for a small navy. Unless you are an icebreaker, you just don't intentio…

Well, ramming used to be BIG:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Lissa_(1866)

One can't possibly blame the captain wanting to be as cool as admiral Tegetthoff back then:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Anton_Romako_001.jpg

Re: Venezuelan ship sinks itself after ramming cruise liner with a reinforced hull

#33
post #23

This is insane. I can't imagine what was going through the Venezuelan captain's head trying to do this. It's one thing if the shooting is already started to defend yourself. But even if this stunt had worked, you're looking at many months of downtime while your ship is being repaired in drydock. Millions of dollars, and bigtime loss of capability for a small navy. Unless you are an icebreaker, you just don't intentio…

I mean, less crazy than trying to ram a ship with a locomotive I suppose:

https://www.npr.org/sections/coronavirus-live-updates/2020/0...

https://in.reuters.com/video/watch/idOVC7T0OCH

Strange days.

Re: Venezuelan ship sinks itself after ramming cruise liner with a reinforced hull

#34
post #12
post #9

Does anyone else feel like we've been living in a comic strip lately?

I've felt like I'm stuck in some alternate history timeline since 2001.

It feels like Elon Musk is correct about our universe being a simulation.

Re: Venezuelan ship sinks itself after ramming cruise liner with a reinforced hull

#36
post #21

The Venezuelan ship had a 76mm gun, maybe one like this: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/OTO_Melara_76_mm Why would you ram when you could shoot up the other ship with 85 to 120 fourteen pound shells per minute, with no risk to your own ship? Maybe they didn't actually have the ammo. Or maybe they decided to play chicken with the cruise ship and lost.

Those shells will do nothing to stop the ship but will just kill a lot of people for no gains. If they wanted to seize the ship, they should have brought a boarding party with them, I'm sure they have trained sailors for that. Source: I'm a former naval officer and I served as an ordnance officer on a ship with that exact 76mm gun. I also acted as the officer of the deck for quite a few boardings.

So how do you stop a cruiser like that?

Re: Venezuelan ship sinks itself after ramming cruise liner with a reinforced hull

#37
post #14

Since the US is currently trying to invade Venezuela under the guise of the fight against drugs trafficking I understand Venezuelans being more strict with their borders and would not diacard it being a setup.

If the US wanted to invade, apparently we could do it with a handful of cruise ships. Why send carriers when Carnival will do?

Not what I meant. Could be there as an excuse loaded with drugs so the navy then can move in. Iraq was invaded under the false pretence of the weapons of mass destruction which didn't exist and UN observers proved so 1 week before Invasion. Panama was invaded under the excuse of drug war. Planting drugs to justify the invasion wouldn't be much of a stretch. Pretty bad luck that 1 of 3 reinforced cruise just drifts towards Venezuela during this escalation period. As the covid crisis worsens in US and a distraction is needed we'll see what happens, let's check back in a month.

Re: Venezuelan ship sinks itself after ramming cruise liner with a reinforced hull

#38
post #33
post #23

This is insane. I can't imagine what was going through the Venezuelan captain's head trying to do this. It's one thing if the shooting is already started to defend yourself. But even if this stunt had worked, you're looking at many months of downtime while your ship is being repaired in drydock. Millions of dollars, and bigtime loss of capability for a small navy. Unless you are an icebreaker, you just don't intentio…

I mean, less crazy than trying to ram a ship with a locomotive I suppose: https://www.npr.org/sections/coronavirus-live-updates/2020/0... https://in.reuters.com/video/watch/idOVC7T0OCH Strange days.

aw I was hoping that was a video of it crashing. I heard about this; would love to see the video of it crashing off the end of the rail line.

Re: Venezuelan ship sinks itself after ramming cruise liner with a reinforced hull

#39
post #21

The Venezuelan ship had a 76mm gun, maybe one like this: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/OTO_Melara_76_mm Why would you ram when you could shoot up the other ship with 85 to 120 fourteen pound shells per minute, with no risk to your own ship? Maybe they didn't actually have the ammo. Or maybe they decided to play chicken with the cruise ship and lost.

Those shells will do nothing to stop the ship but will just kill a lot of people for no gains. If they wanted to seize the ship, they should have brought a boarding party with them, I'm sure they have trained sailors for that. Source: I'm a former naval officer and I served as an ordnance officer on a ship with that exact 76mm gun. I also acted as the officer of the deck for quite a few boardings.

How about a shot across the bow as a persuader? Maybe I've read too much Hornblower and Aubrey. Do navies still do that?
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