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Venezuelan ship sinks itself after ramming cruise liner with a reinforced hull

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Re: Venezuelan ship sinks itself after ramming cruise liner with a reinforced hull

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Well that's embarrassing. Could you imagine being the crew of the cruise ship and having to rescue the clowns that just tried to ram you?

Rescue would likely be an upgrade from conditions in Venezuela for the Venezuelan Navy crew.

Maybe that was the plan all along.

Re: Venezuelan ship sinks itself after ramming cruise liner with a reinforced hull

#15
post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

As I understand it, sailors have strong ethics because the sea is the common enemy of all. Even sailors on ships at war will rescue the enemy after incapacitating their boat.

In theory they're supposed to, but that kind of went out the window since WW2.

IIRC uboats were only “supposed” to sink ships if they could aid in rescuing the crew and passengers after... but gave that policy up when the Allies kept attacking them with aircraft while they were conducting rescue operations.

Re: Venezuelan ship sinks itself after ramming cruise liner with a reinforced hull

#16
World is going to become even more scary.

Imagine what is happening inside North Korea we will never hear about. The population will be quietly cut in half.

Putin has been doing some (more) scary things in Russia while no-one outside is paying attention.

I'm still not completely convinced we are going to be allowed to have elections in November.

Re: Venezuelan ship sinks itself after ramming cruise liner with a reinforced hull

#17
post #2

Well that's embarrassing. Could you imagine being the crew of the cruise ship and having to rescue the clowns that just tried to ram you?

As I understand it, sailors have strong ethics because the sea is the common enemy of all. Even sailors on ships at war will rescue the enemy after incapacitating their boat.

Yeah, but if you're a ship with a skeleton crew of civilians, you're going to think twice about rescuing a full compliment of soldiers from a dictatorship that just tried to sink you with no reason whatsoever.

Re: Venezuelan ship sinks itself after ramming cruise liner with a reinforced hull

#18
post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

As I understand it, sailors have strong ethics because the sea is the common enemy of all. Even sailors on ships at war will rescue the enemy after incapacitating their boat.

In theory they're supposed to, but that kind of went out the window since WW2.

Notably after a US bomber knowingly attacked a surfaced U-boat carrying survivors of the RMS Laconia on its foredeck.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Laconia_incident

Re: Venezuelan ship sinks itself after ramming cruise liner with a reinforced hull

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post #16

World is going to become even more scary. Imagine what is happening inside North Korea we will never hear about. The population will be quietly cut in half. Putin has been doing some (more) scary things in Russia while no-one outside is paying attention. I'm still not completely convinced we are going to be allowed to have elections in November.

Hungary has become a dictatorship overnight...

Re: Venezuelan ship sinks itself after ramming cruise liner with a reinforced hull

#20
post #16

World is going to become even more scary. Imagine what is happening inside North Korea we will never hear about. The population will be quietly cut in half. Putin has been doing some (more) scary things in Russia while no-one outside is paying attention. I'm still not completely convinced we are going to be allowed to have elections in November.

We’re seeing indicators of global destabilization to a degree, but it’s important to remember that this is cyclical.

> Imagine what is happening inside North Korea that we will never hear about.

North Korea experienced a terrible famine within the last 20 or so years that killed a significant portion of the population, but that didn’t really make sustained news. Terrible stuff has been happening there for decades and the rest of world accepts it.

It’s also quite a stretch to say that no one is paying attention to what’s going on in Russia when that clearly isn’t true. Yes, Putin is finding ways to retain power, but it’s not like he’s doing all of this in secret.

And as for elections, we haven’t heard anything to indicate that they aren’t happening, so why speculate wildly?

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