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Re: Anatomy of long sales letter

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It's interesting how people divide themselves into two separate camps when it comes to landing page/direct marketing (which are brothers of the same mother). The fact is, both longform and shortform work. But why they work and which context depends on the type of product you are offering and your sales model.

Long form works best for:

* Simple to understand products which have difficult to achieve benefits (weight loss pills, real estate riches courses). The idea is that once you find an interested party, it is just a matter of convincing him that YOUR SOLUTION is THE SOLUTION.

* The purchase process is single stepped with low time and mental effort involved on the part of the purchaser. (e-download, shipped product).

* It is really hard to sell services with the long form, although its been done. I'd still like to see a good example of a successful longform that sells a service, and analyse it to death.

Short form works best for:

* Complex sales where a conversion means pre-qualification, a phone call, question answering, a customized result (think general contractor), identity check or some other gate to completing the sale. The idea is just to give them just enough benefits that they feel both enticed and think it is low risk to give you their contact information. Almost all B2B sales fit in this category.

* Monthly services with a freemium model, and any other low risk opportunity to kick the tires.

* Items with a low purchase point and low effort checkout (App Store game).

That said, there are always exceptions to the rule, and you should test both forms of communication if you are unsure.

Re: Anatomy of long sales letter

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I suspect that a "try now" button would be the death of most products traditionally advertised by a long sales letter.

Yes, the much more deceptive "Money Back Guarantee*" is what is usually plugged in instead of "Try Now".

And it works because people are very reluctant to give up things they own, even if they don't find them useful.

Re: Anatomy of long sales letter

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Written by a direct response copywriter, so it's going to be a bit biased. I've tested short and long form, and while long form tends to do better for information products, if you are actually providing something of value, then usually a short form can work just as well. Essentially - to sell shit, you need to spend a long time persuading someone to buy it. To sell gold, you just need a buy now button.

I don't think it's biased at all. I do agree that long form tends to do better for information products. However, it also does better in 90% of cases, as well. As I mentioned in the post... it does NOT do better in EVERY single case. You're "essentially" comment is absolutely wrong... and TOTALLY biased after you just said my post was biased. It depends on the market maturity, the branding of the company, and MANY ot…

That comment is from my own experience. I've sold a bit of both in my day, and while I don't hate long form copy, I hate pages that look like crap, such as some of those examples.

Again, I'm not hating on you, or your piece, but the fact that often times long form copy is associated with horrid design. That's the trend I want to see disappear.

Re: Anatomy of long sales letter

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This is what terrifies me so much about being a [mostly] sole-founder. If I saw something like this in my mail, I would immediately throw it away and probably have a few thoughts about how out of touch the person who commissioned it was. But if it really does "convert like crazy", it means that any wisdom I have about marketing (and most of the wisdom given out by fellow geeks, designers, and most marketers) is almos…

But if you were to receive a personalized, sixteen page sales letter signed by Paul Graham, you'd probably read it multiple times. "The astonishing startup secrets of Ycombinator's founder Ryan, below I'll reveal an amazing startup plan specifically designed for sole founders. It has a proven 73% success rate. If you're interested in running a SaaS company and you're willing to relocate to the Bay Area, then this let…

If PG sent a letter like that, I'd lose a ton of respect for him because he would've jumped the shark.

Re: Anatomy of long sales letter

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This is what terrifies me so much about being a [mostly] sole-founder. If I saw something like this in my mail, I would immediately throw it away and probably have a few thoughts about how out of touch the person who commissioned it was. But if it really does "convert like crazy", it means that any wisdom I have about marketing (and most of the wisdom given out by fellow geeks, designers, and most marketers) is almos…

I think the long form marketing works on the lower half of the intelligence bell curve. This probably excludes much of a programmer's social circle.

That article reminded me of Giles Bowkett’s blog postings advertising his video- and ebook-based classes, e.g.:

http://gilesbowkett.blogspot.com/2010/03/programmers-what-to...

I have no idea if the courses are any good, but he does market them to programmers, and since he has put up more than one blog posting of this nature, I assume he must be getting sales.

Re: Anatomy of long sales letter

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This is what terrifies me so much about being a [mostly] sole-founder. If I saw something like this in my mail, I would immediately throw it away and probably have a few thoughts about how out of touch the person who commissioned it was. But if it really does "convert like crazy", it means that any wisdom I have about marketing (and most of the wisdom given out by fellow geeks, designers, and most marketers) is almos…

But if you were to receive a personalized, sixteen page sales letter signed by Paul Graham, you'd probably read it multiple times. "The astonishing startup secrets of Ycombinator's founder Ryan, below I'll reveal an amazing startup plan specifically designed for sole founders. It has a proven 73% success rate. If you're interested in running a SaaS company and you're willing to relocate to the Bay Area, then this let…

The key word there is personalized.

If a key member of the silicon valley venture capital community sent me a personalized letter about anything, especially to do with startups, or funding, of course I would listen.

If Stephen Hawking sent me a personalized letter, I would read it.

If Darren Aronofsky sent me a personalized letter, I would read it.

If Warren Buffet sent me a personalized letter, I would read it.

If Steve Jobs sent me a personalized letter, I would read it.

If Barack Obama sent me a personalized letter, I would read it.

If George Bush sent me a personalized letter, I would read it.

It's also about the context. I'll read mass-produced essays in Foreign Affairs all day long, because they're written by [mostly] authority figures, not copywriters who are trying to make money off of me.

Re: Anatomy of long sales letter

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It seems the long sales letter is slowly being replaced by video sales letters.

Personally I think video sales letters would be more effective but they also have the inherent problem that people viewing the page at work (or other similar situation) won't be able to see the video (unless they bookmark it and view it later which is unlikely).

I think combining a mixture of the short sales letter, video sales letter and long sales letter would be a good catch all. Show a clear call to action Buy Now button above the fold with a few simple bullet-point benefits and a sales video. Then below that you can continue on with the long sales letter for those who still have pre-sales questions.

Re: Anatomy of long sales letter

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FWIW, I A/B tested a "long" sales letter with a cleaner, shorter and nicer looking one (imo) for my info product targeted at programmers.

Long: http://createyourproglang.com/index2.html Short: http://createyourproglang.com/

I've let the experiment run for a few months and the results were never concluding, ~50% each the whole time.

My guess is that most of my buyers are pre-sold by affiliates, or via word of mouth, and don't read anything. Any other interpretation greatly appreciated.

Re: Anatomy of long sales letter

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It's interesting how people divide themselves into two separate camps when it comes to landing page/direct marketing (which are brothers of the same mother). The fact is, both longform and shortform work. But why they work and which context depends on the type of product you are offering and your sales model. Long form works best for: * Simple to understand products which have difficult to achieve benefits (weight lo…

FANTASTIC comment! :)

Believe it or not, I DON'T only do long-form salesletters so I don't divide myself into a "long-form-only" camp.

Typically what I do is figure out what the client needs... assess the market/product,etc... and do 1 or the other to START.

However, if I'm not absolutely positive that whatever form I'm using will work - I always recommend that the client test a longer copy page versus a shorter copy page.

All in all... it's not "long form vs. short form".

The bottom line is... you put out all your selling points, and defuse all the objectives. At that point it can be either long or short.

And you end it right there without any "extra" words :)

That could be 300 words... or 10,000 words. Like you said - it depends on a TON of variables!

Re: Anatomy of long sales letter

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

But if you were to receive a personalized, sixteen page sales letter signed by Paul Graham, you'd probably read it multiple times. "The astonishing startup secrets of Ycombinator's founder Ryan, below I'll reveal an amazing startup plan specifically designed for sole founders. It has a proven 73% success rate. If you're interested in running a SaaS company and you're willing to relocate to the Bay Area, then this let…

[report spam] click This does remind me of the story about a week ago where a "females only" founders Q&A conference run my Ycombinator which turned out to have no female founders at it at all. http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=2229494 Usually when something makes broad claims, for me, it needs to back it up ASAP. Most long form letters over exaggerate, repeat a lot of vague information & then throw in a bunch of u…

You seem to read a lot of BAD salesletters written by lousy copywriters.

And THAT is where the difference is.

In my letters, my claims are backed up with proof. The testimonials are of people you can call on the phone. And I personally use the product before I even START writing.

Bad copy written by an unethical copywriter sucks.

Good copy written by a great copywriter will keep your eyes glued on the page as long as they want you reading :)

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