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Coyotes are being seen on the empty streets of San Francisco

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Post by gerbilly »

orbital-decay wrote: post #217
crazygringo wrote: post #190

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I'm not sure exactly what those quotes are referring to, but many reports of European settlers to the New World, while technically true, were greatly misleading. Prior to arrival of the Europeans, the continent was full of Native Americans who lived in an ecological balance with wildlife. When the Europeans arrived, the diseases they brought wiped out 90+% of the indigenous population, according to some estimates. By…

> the continent was full of Native Americans who lived in an ecological balance with wildlife Native Americans weren't a monolithic group, and the balance with wildlife is just a part of the noble savage myth, for most of the groups. Maya, Toltec, and Aztec societies deforested Central America quite significantly before collapsing (and before Columbus).

It might be seen as self serving for western industrialists to promote the noble savage idea as 'myth.'

Notice that there isn't a 'noble industrialist' meme? I wonder why?

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Post by m463 »

spodek wrote: post #135

What we think of wild nature is nothing compared to what used to exist. Schools of fish so dense they would bring boats to a halt in the middle of the Atlantic. North America had more large wildlife than Africa. Whales as far as the eye could see all day long. Walruses in the Thames in London. I did a couple video essays on what I learned from a wonderful book The Once and Future World : My video essays: https://yout…

One foggy morning I walked out to the rock at Morro Bay and as I got out on this spit of land, I realized that what I thought was a big sand dune was actually all birds, a huge see of birds. They started taking off and obscured the sky.

There are places still.

Re: Coyotes are being seen on the empty streets of San Francisco

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Post by m463 »

as-j wrote: post #37

As an early morning runner in SF, I see coyotes in SF every week or two, including at Twin peaks as mentioned in the article. One morning in Golden Gate Park I warned a few people walkings dogs since there were about 4 coyotes around the corner. From my first hand experience, I'd assume any wooded area with cover in SF has a coyote living there.

I've heard that some sorts of animals (racoons?) have moved onto the top of the Facebook buildings.

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Post by reportingsjr »

soared wrote: post #285
reportingsjr wrote: post #281

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If you ever go camping far out in the wilderness you will realise how hard it is to get away from human noise at night. The sound of planes flying overhead is almost constant over the entire continental US, even in desolate and wild areas.

Maybe the Colorado Rocky Mountains are different, but they don’t have plane noise like that outside of the corridor the interstate follows, which the planes also mostly follow.

It definitely looks like there are some larger plane traffic gaps out that way compared to here in the midwest, but if you look at a live map (https://www.flightradar24.com/41.21,-101.72/6 ) they are still flying over even the remote areas pretty frequently unfortunately.

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Post by DanTheManPR »

Talanes wrote: post #52
simonw wrote: post #7

The first time I saw a Coyote was in broad daylight up on Corona Heights in San Francisco. I'd never even seen a photo of one before, but I knew what it was straight away because its face looked like Wile E Coyote!

I grew up in the rural deserts of Eastern California where coyotes are abundant, and never directly saw one once. Just the occasional rustling in the brushes and darting glances, and sometimes the flick of a glowing eye. And then I come to San Francisco and one just walks past me and sniffs my hand while I'm going to the 7-11. Didn't even register that it wasn't just a dog until it had walked past. It's crazy how muc…

Anecdotally, I think they have better instincts for how to stay concealed in natural environments. Wildcats are the same way. Bobcats are everywhere in the lower 48 of the US, but most people have never seen one, and may not even be aware that they're around.

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Post by _jal »

yters wrote: post #308
_jal wrote: post #168

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Agriculture is an activity, not an ecosystem. Humans are but one element of the ecosystems in which they exist, and their flourishing is relevant only insofar as it preserves systemic viability. Farms are inherently unstable - the 'system' is missing. From an ecological perspective, they're no more an ecosystem than you'd get if you released a bunch of random animals in your house. You'd have a new 'system' that last…

Hence human's ability to avert collapse on a continyal basis. No other creature farms like humans.

You're not discussing ecosystems.

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Post by yters »

_jal wrote: post #316
yters wrote: post #308

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Hence human's ability to avert collapse on a continyal basis. No other creature farms like humans.

You're not discussing ecosystems.

That's just a semantic argument. Humans have an ability no other organism has to create and maintain biological systems. It is the only thing that could possibly save an ecosystem from collapse. If humans are eliminated, then so is this ability.

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Post by jyrkesh »

mark-r wrote: post #50
jyrkesh wrote: post #35

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This article literally cites dolphins in the Venice canals as fake news. Please read the article before you comment.

Please turn up the sensitivity on your sarcasm detector.

RIP. Apologies to OP
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