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Re: Coyotes are being seen on the empty streets of San Francisco

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Post by Ericson2314 »

gowld wrote: post #152
TeMPOraL wrote: post #111

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That's true, but I think the point is: people will witness first-hand how reducing pollution and emissions leads to much better environment in the span of weeks . I also hope that there will be some dip in relevant global climate measurements, so there will be something to point to and say: "here's direct empirical evidence that climate change is man-made and that reducing emissions helps mitigate it".

This thread seems to be confusing climate change / carbon (dioxide) with local pollution. climate change / carbon (dioxide) and carbon taxes are about long-term temperature change due to C02 concentration and the effects of that. COVID-19 isn't changing that in 1 year. Local pollution is caused by burning gasoline and factory smoke.

Yes, but Cars are the intersection of the two. That's a big intersection.

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Post by beachy »

riantogo wrote: post #177

Seeing nature flourish as humans pull back... I wonder if we are the virus

There's no need to wonder. Humans are.

Right now the planet is drawing a great big sigh of relief.

Yet we have politicians that are just busting to get things ramped back up to the crazed consumption-driven frenzy that we treated as normal until a few weeks ago.

Re: Coyotes are being seen on the empty streets of San Francisco

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Post by pascalxus »

I wonder how much of this has to do with the lack of development in the bay area. With a huge amount of undeveloped area all over the bay area, there's probably a lot of places for coyotes to live, since so much living space has been zoned and allocated for them and other wild life. It's too bad, we're not this kind to human beings.

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Post by ComputerGuru »

phaser wrote: post #23

Here in Santiago, Chile, where many neighborhoods are in complete lockdown, a wild Puma was seen roaming the streets[1]. This was their natural habitat before the city was established, and many of them still live in the mountains, which are not far from the busiest streets of Santiago. https://www.france24.com/en/20200324-wild-puma-captured-in-d...

The same animal also taking advantage of the lockdown in Boulder, CO: https://www.reddit.com/r/aww/comments/fos9k0/mountain_lions_...

Re: Coyotes are being seen on the empty streets of San Francisco

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Post by ComputerGuru »

pascalxus wrote: post #183

I wonder how much of this has to do with the lack of development in the bay area. With a huge amount of undeveloped area all over the bay area, there's probably a lot of places for coyotes to live, since so much living space has been zoned and allocated for them and other wild life. It's too bad, we're not this kind to human beings.

So kind of you to leave them a smidge of their former territory.

Re: Coyotes are being seen on the empty streets of San Francisco

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Post by taxidump »

dmurray wrote: post #178
justin66 wrote: post #174

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Nextdoor is essentially a nationwide service for people to share coyote sightings in their neighborhood. No matter where they are, people won't shut up about them.

I thought the Nextdoor crowd were more concerned about coons.

And fireworks

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Post by bc07 »

rodgerd wrote: post #117
as-j wrote: post #37

As an early morning runner in SF, I see coyotes in SF every week or two, including at Twin peaks as mentioned in the article. One morning in Golden Gate Park I warned a few people walkings dogs since there were about 4 coyotes around the corner. From my first hand experience, I'd assume any wooded area with cover in SF has a coyote living there.

I took the opportunity to visit Glen Canyon Park last time I was in San Francisco, after a local recommended to me, and it was a wonderful interlude in my visit; they had signs up noting that there would be coyotes about at twilight; alas I was there mid-day and didn't get to see them. I did, however, get to see hummingbirds for the first (and so far only) time in my life.

I walk through there every morning and regularly run into them! They're most active around 6:45am-ish.

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Post by elhudy »

justin66 wrote: post #174
etrk wrote: post #159

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Coyote sightings were a regular occurrence on my NextDoor feed long before the quarantine.

Nextdoor is essentially a nationwide service for people to share coyote sightings in their neighborhood. No matter where they are, people won't shut up about them.

Here it's: "did anyone hear those gunshots last night?!?" (in reference to fireworks).

Re: Coyotes are being seen on the empty streets of San Francisco

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Post by crazygringo »

monktastic1 wrote: post #173
spodek wrote: post #135

What we think of wild nature is nothing compared to what used to exist. Schools of fish so dense they would bring boats to a halt in the middle of the Atlantic. North America had more large wildlife than Africa. Whales as far as the eye could see all day long. Walruses in the Thames in London. I did a couple video essays on what I learned from a wonderful book The Once and Future World : My video essays: https://yout…

Reminds me of a quote from Charles Eisenstein. He cites The Once and Future World and then channels Steve Nicholls in Paradise Found : "Atlantic salmon runs so abundant no one is able to sleep for their noise. Islands “as full of birds as a meadow is full of grass.” Whales so numerous they were a hazard to shipping, their spouts filling the entire sea with foam. Oysters more than a foot wide. An island covered by so…

I'm not sure exactly what those quotes are referring to, but many reports of European settlers to the New World, while technically true, were greatly misleading.

Prior to arrival of the Europeans, the continent was full of Native Americans who lived in an ecological balance with wildlife.

When the Europeans arrived, the diseases they brought wiped out 90+% of the indigenous population, according to some estimates. By the time they explored the continent, the population was mainly gone, far in advance.

So there's a strong theory that the incredible over-abundance of wildlife the Europeans saw was actually a huge ecological imbalance, as many animals had lost their natural (human) predators.

And that phenomena such as millions of passenger pigeons blocking out the sun overhead weren't "natural" at all, but actually severe ecological imbalance.

(This isn't to say, of course, that now we haven't swung way too far in the other direction. But just that the tales of abundance aren't necessarily a naturally balanced state either.)

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