Zoom is such a bizarre product. For huge video calls, it tends to perform as well or better than everything else out there. Yet at the same time it literally seems like straight-up malware and seems to violate your trust and privacy left and right every step of the way, even in the installer (!).
SpaceX bans Zoom over privacy concerns
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#222Earlier quoted context omitted.
Not sarcasm. Sources please.
Let's not use sarcasm or sources..... Let's puzzle it out. You don't use a password to encrypt your iCloud backups... They're specific to the hardware your backing up. If you have an itouch for example it's backups are separate from your phone. So now you have these backups in the cloud and you lose your iPhone, you remote wipe it. Now your new one arrives and you restore from backup... Your iMessage private keys are…
I wish this meme of trying to sound fancy by misusing the term "nation-state" would die.
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#223Earlier quoted context omitted.
Fraudulent is the word i would use.
"Fraudulent", at least as far as I know, is reserved for "intentional deception". It could be that Zoom is indeed doing this intentionally, but without proof of it being intentional, I don't think we should assume so. insert Hanlons razor quote here
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#224The problem with Zoom isn't, that it doesn't have end-to-end encryption. If you consider the problem, it is extremely difficult to solve, as in contrast to a 1:1 video call, the server somehow has to to multiplex the streams and thus at least some access to them. With a trustworthy provider, this isn't a big issue. A trustworthy provider will have a clear policy which ensures that only the multiplexer has access to t…
Your internet service provider can deduce the same about your HTTPS connections.
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#225Re: SpaceX bans Zoom over privacy concerns
#226Earlier quoted context omitted.
Let's not use sarcasm or sources..... Let's puzzle it out. You don't use a password to encrypt your iCloud backups... They're specific to the hardware your backing up. If you have an itouch for example it's backups are separate from your phone. So now you have these backups in the cloud and you lose your iPhone, you remote wipe it. Now your new one arrives and you restore from backup... Your iMessage private keys are…
1) No such thing as an “itouch” 2) What about your iCloud account and password that are required to encrypt, store, access, and decrypt the backups there? Is that not a factor worth consideration?
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#227Earlier quoted context omitted.
They are using the same language as Apple talking about iMessage and FaceTime. Apple talks about end to end encryption, but one end is iCloud which is why you can get your messages simultaneously on all devices.
There is a big difference there though. In transit, iMessage and FaceTime backups are end-to-end encrypted, it's just the iMessage backups on iCloud that also store the key. FaceTime chats, though, truly are end-to-end encrypted and the calls aren't backed up like iMessages are.
They merely mention that backups to iCloud happen automatically by default, and not that doing so means the default is that Apple can view and decrypt all your messages.
Re: SpaceX bans Zoom over privacy concerns
#228Earlier quoted context omitted.
Fraudulent is the word i would use.
"Fraudulent", at least as far as I know, is reserved for "intentional deception". It could be that Zoom is indeed doing this intentionally, but without proof of it being intentional, I don't think we should assume so. insert Hanlons razor quote here
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#229I use MS Teams in my company, seems to work very well, great quality video, I’m don’t fully understand the security issues with Zoom, so I’m curious, does anyone know how MS Teams compares to Zoom?? The school my kids go to (in Portugal) also use Teams, for online learning, seems to be working well for them now. (Europe had issues a few weeks ago with Teams, when most of the schools first closed)
I have 4 different accounts that have access to different Teams instances. They all have my full name, and therefore the same initials. There is no way to tell which account you are logged in as, in the UI.
A couple of months ago, they finally fixed the "log out and log in as a different user" flow so it actually did something for me. Before that, it would log out, and then just automatically log back in as the same user.
You can't (as far as I can tell) run two instances as different users at the same time.
I join most Teams meetings as "guest" on my phone. That works OK, but it doesn't really say much good about the Windows app.
Re: SpaceX bans Zoom over privacy concerns
#230I use MS Teams in my company, seems to work very well, great quality video, I’m don’t fully understand the security issues with Zoom, so I’m curious, does anyone know how MS Teams compares to Zoom?? The school my kids go to (in Portugal) also use Teams, for online learning, seems to be working well for them now. (Europe had issues a few weeks ago with Teams, when most of the schools first closed)
I believe... MS Teams is better but you have to pay for it (and maybe it's complex to implement too). Zoom is free (and supports large numbers of participants which other free alternatives don't). Also meetings can be setup with about 4 mouse clicks by the user himself with no other kit than a browser in Zoom. Getting your art department home workers to correctly It has been weird watching people insist we use zoom b…